Conservative media host and commentator Steven Crowder can be seen on a Ring Camera video berating his wife Hilary, who was at the time nearly eight months pregnant, and demanding that she handle medicine for his dogs that she was concerned was toxic to pregnant women. In the video, he snaps at her to put on her gloves to give his dogs medicine, walk the dogs, and otherwise "perform wifely duties," as she is clearly emotionally distressed.
She's a victim of domestic abuse. How do you want her to behave? She tries to appease him by telling him she loves him and is committed to him. That's what scared victims do.
Yep, it's no different if a man was dealing with a wife threatening to harm themselves or something emotionally abusive such as that. You pretty much tell them what they want to hear in the moment until you can make yourself and others in a safe position. She's not manipulating, she's surviving.
Correct because women are the victims 100% of the time and men are the abusers 100% of the time and women are perfect in every way and men are trash. Good luck being alone the rest of your life.
based on what hes saying it sounds like shes cheated on him, and what he said...not that bad for someone who is apparrently a violent bully....this is garbage
I do not think his behavior is acceptable at all, however, she was not afraid of him physically harming her and she's never claimed that. I didn't see any fear in regards to her physical safety that would require her to appease him.
Or she’s attempting to change the subject so she doesn’t have to do shit she doesn’t want to do. Like it or not, ADULTS have to sometimes do things they don’t want to or don’t feel like doing. She’s pregnant NOT an invalid.
It’s obvious from their body language who has the power in this dynamic. He is under no threat, not at all at risk, actively and repeatedly demeaning her. She is pacing, restless, afraid to leave, like she is caged and knows the patterns of her captor, knows what will happen if she tries to make an escape.
Attempting to manage the situation to get herself to a place of psychological and emotional safety isn’t manipulation. It’s self-defense.
If she wasn't 8 months pregnant, I would probably agree with you. We don't have enough information. However, I feel like in the final stages of pregnancy that maybe getting your wife pregnant and simping for your wife in the last month or two of pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world and kind of what you signed up for. Stress heavily negatively impacts fetuses in the womb. For the sake of my children, I'd probably put in some sacrifices for the sake of my children's development in the womb. Especially when it's over small things, like having to sacrifice gym time to get groceries or give the dog medicine.
Saying that "this only ends with discipline and respect", in its own way is showing an immense disrespect for her and her concerns. It's just completely dismissive of her point of view.
Even not seeing what caused the conflict, I feel like that clearly demonstrates some abusive behavior. However, maybe it was a one-off situation (albeit an extremely poorly timed one-off considering is wife is 8 months pregnant....).
yeah I'm wondering how he disciplines his wife. I can't imagine how he would have to get his children. Domineering to the extreme. Glad they are not subject to his constant "attentions."
The other thing that people forget when you are in an abusive relationship is that sometimes the victim is not going to act perfectly but that doesn't make them any less a victim. Clearly here she is trying to talk rationally and get a little time away from his craziness, maybe she has a therapist appointment to learn to deal with this, and she doesn't want to tell him, for all we know.
They were obviously in the middle of a argument that was not entirely captured by the film. There was no context at all. We have no idea how she behaves or what kind of passive aggressive stuff she pulls on him.
I’m as terfy as it gets, and everyone in my Twitter circle is condemning this clearly abusive behavior. TERFs support women over men, always - no matter how those men identify.
Then you have never been in an devaluing relationship and should be thanking God for that. She is not manipulating him, she is trying to diffuse his anger because she knows what will happen if she can’t. She is strong, and brave, and doesn’t put him down, she speaks truth, despite his cruel controlling and manipulative comments.
You have no knowledge of this other commenter. You are making assumptions of them JUST LIKE the assumptions you are making of the video. Neither are based in facts. Narcissistic people can very easily make their partner look “crazy” or “evil” I find much of this video to be deceptively edited…ie why insist what was said directly after the video ended was something egregious yet not show it? If you cannot show it, why say it as a definitive? If only one party states something occurred w/o evidence it’s complete speculation.
I am woke and I'm sick of the way women whine about everything being 'abuse.' I'm sick of seeing men blamed for bad behavior when their wives/girlfriends are just as good at giving it back.
Especially since they turn around and claim that they are as strong as men. It is so pathetic.
She is being even more manipulative-the man is just pissed because it's the 1000th time she pulled this crap. She knows he needs to use the car for work but her sudden emergency nail appointment should take priority over his. Classic case of female abuse. And she is playing for the camera. To deflect the manipulation and falsely make the man the agressor, every abusive & manipuplating woman only needs to do is cry, make a pouty face when she doesn't get her way, and and say "I love you" when abusing him. Men remember AWALT, it's just a matter of degree.
He didn’t need the car for work. He said she could use the car is she walked the dogs and gave them medicine. He was punishing her for not wanting to do that while 8 months pregnant with twins. What man acts like that and then threatens his pregnant wife? He’s a faggot.
LOL he said he needed the car to go to the gym and see his friends! Just fully making shit up to cover for some dude who doesn't know you're alive! He's a millionaire, son! He could BUY a new car tomorrow if he wanted one. There is one reason why he has one car: so he can control his spouse.
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What we see looks pretty horrible regardless of context and Crowder seems to agree. But the context can make a difference - this could in fact be the 1000 time she’s challenging him and he blows his lid in response to that history rather than to the current situation. In a way that is horrible and abusive and he should have apologized for and in fact may have done it.
She was most likely the wrong choice, as was Landau, who’s a sniveling cunt derailing the show when Crowder is about to make a point. Both sort-of “tricked” him into committing and Crowder seems unable to accept and cut his losses, which is tbh so ugh and painful… He wants some sort of revenge, and that’s through abuse, and that can and has been turned against him.
Gerald or his father seem competent and loyal and should be able to help him navigate emotionally difficult situations. He needs to let them.
I'm also conservative and a traditionalist, and I'm not afraid to call this what it is - wrong and abusive. If you can't admit that some conservatives are bad people and/or commit bad acts, you're in denial, and you probably aren't very confident about your own beliefs. I'm comfortable enough in my own beliefs to not think I have to endorse Crowder just because he shares the same political label as I do. He's seemed "off" to me for a long time, this only adds to it.
IF YOU ARE “CONSERVATIVE” and yet you haven’t watched parts of statements being used to screw people over then I have to believe you are being disingenuous. “Calling people out” should be done without making biased judgements, w/o using the assumption of how you would react in the situation as a basis for him positively being at fault. MOST people have just stated that there isn’t enough context or knowledge about their relationship to say either way.
Monogamy is a hackneyed tenet of religion, an unnatural order created by Zionist churchmen to attach vicarious liabilities in the secular law, to control monarchial successions, as well as to establish ecclesiastic control over white female procreativity and white male posterity . . .
All men are born of a woman, married or not . . . Judaism is matriarchy . . . Jews trace their lineage through the women . . . Catholicism is the red headed stepchild of Judaism, Pope Father Bergoglio and all that patriarchy at the Vatican is nothing but a policy to spread the other cheek of altar boys.
if you don't get shot when you're busy shooting up your school because no girl wants to go to prom with you, you're going to die alone, you incel loser.
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well not when I was eight months pregnant, yes I have been terrible at times to my husband of 30+ years especially in my 20s and he has been exceedingly patient with me. And yes Crowder is absolutely abusive. Steven Crowder claims to be a Christian right? That means he is to lay down his life even as Christ laid his life down for the church. I don't see him laying any life down here he's just browbeating her like a good old Pharisee threatening to throw the first stone. (though he has clearly been stoning her figuratively for a long time, this is a very familiar unhealthy pattern to them, you can tell by the way it is being done).
I don't doubt the possibility that she used to give it back to him but when you realize that that just fuels him more she learned how to Gray rock. And as she learned healthier communication habits he has gotten worse which is a very typical when you try to resist bad relationship behavior the sick one who doesn't want to change gets even worse. (incidentally, I would bet she has been seeing a therapist for her own sanity in secret and Stephen is probably pissed off that he doesn't know where she is at every second of the day).
what would that prove even if someone was in a similar argument? Nothing. There are people who behave like Crowder and it doesn't make Crowder's behavior less abusive.
No, unfortunately you refuse to see that it IS possible that a woman could be manipulative. This scenario COULD BE EITHER she COULD be being manipulative AND he COULD be being abusive. There is no way to know without more video or factual information.
Intelligent well measured men, even if under manipulation, NEVER say the things this creature said. Even if she is the most wicked witch on the planet, she is of no threat to him and he need not be so aggressive. I can't stand so called men who raise their voices and posture aggressively toward women- they always act differently when a man is present. And, since my wife has bore me many many children, I can tell you she would never be asked to deal with stuffing pills up my dog's anus when she is 8 months pregnant, or pregnant at all for that matter. A real man would not expect that.
I can't think of any medication that dogs take that way. However it's beside the point. She apparently had to hang up about handling the dogs medication because she was pregnant and didn't want it to affect the babies. Regardless of whether her fear was rational, Crowder was abusive towards her about it.
wow. No one here is saying that Hillary is perfect or that she ever hasn't dished out something similar (quite possibly she used to and then realized it was not healthy and found other ways to try and communicate, deescalate, and set boundaries). But we are commenting on is the video. In that video Crowder is being abusive.
Anyone that can look at this and hand wave it as hes not an abusive person, especially when he admitted to threatening to "fuck you up," is most likely very much the same.
If anyone sees this. Run from people like this. Immediately.
All I have to say to you is that if you think Crowder's behavior here is okay, normal, and healthy, you will never, ever have a happy marriage and you will die alone and miserable.
Crowder appears to me a Narccisist on Steroids! This turd now scares me. His wife was 8 months pregnant....and we get this 3 year old tantrum behaviour. Shame....Shame...Shame on this Psychopath!
I think IF this 3 min clip is representative of how he usually is (which we don't know) then sounds v anti social and I think he has a personality I'd hate to date someone with....having an off putting controlling personality is not abuse.
he's literally ordering her around and screaming about discipline and making her do things that are dangerous to her health but there's no abuse? fuck you you disingenuous shit
cutting off someone's access to a car, getting angry when she says she'll be back when she'll be back, demanding that SHE feed HIS dogs medicine (that may or may not be toxic to PREGNANT WOMEN), a steady stream of berating her, saying she's a bad, selfish wife, etc. all of those things are abusive. hope this helps.
Ummm a controlling personality that leads to an attempt to umm "control" another person, a person you view as needing to submit to you, is the definition of being abusive. What would qualify as abuse to you?
Just bc its not physical abuse doesn't mean it isn't abusive. He was telling her she couldn't take the car & that if she didn't do what he wanted, it means she isn't doing her wifely duties. He's making his problem w her behavior & turning it around on her as if she's the one who needs to change instead of him. She brings up the fact what he's doing is abuse & he says "watch it. Fucking watch it" in a way i interpret as threatening bc he doesn't want to be called out for his bad behavior. I don't care what you call it- anti social or a controlling personality... Its abuse. Those are the ppl who have abusive violent tendencies. Personalities like anti-social or other personality disorders. I really hope you wouldn't excuse someone behaving this way as "not abuse".
Simping for a guy who tells his 8 month pregnant wife he is going to F her up is having an off putting personality, actually telling your 8th month pregnant wife you are going to F her up is a personality disorder. Know the difference.
Telling your very pregnant wife to take an Uber and to give medicine that is toxic to her and the unborn children, to his fucking dogs is most certainly a form of abuse. And he was very clearly projecting by saying that she was boxing him in and that she was preventing him from seeing people because she needed to go to the store for whatever bullshit he apparently wanted. And why exactly does someone with as much money as him only have one car? I’m guessing it’s so he can keep his wife stranded at home. That man is a piece of shit and so are you for defending him. You can both rot in hell.
Not only is he exhibiting CLINICAL signs of an abusive partner, he's also showing traits of narcissism. The people who cannot see this and support him, even after he said he's done abusive things are not normal. They are not mentally normal.
You know what impresses me the most about you people is that you're gaslighting on behalf of Steven Crowder. You're basically doing the "you're overreacting" tactic that is extremely common for abusers to use on their victims.
No, but years of this type of treatment does. It starts subtle one little put down about how your hair doesn’t look right. Then the next time it’s three or four things wrong with you and it just keeps going for the rest of your relationship and if you think that you’re at fault, it never ends.
I'm sure your "tough guy" husband hasn't had 3 minutes he regretted in your marriage.
Give me a break. For starters, there is very little context. Second when operating at Steve's level, why is he so out of line to expect the same from his wife? As far as providing, it looks like he has held up his end of the bargain.
We don't even know their agreements or arrangements. To paint him as some diabolical figure based on this shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or are some 3rd wave feminist, which if true, all 3 are true by default
Congratulations on telling on yourself. No, normal people do not have these kinds of episodes, even when disagreeing with their partner. The fact you clearly do, and that you think it's normal, says that you are an abuser yourself, or have never been in a real relationship. Either way, you're out of your lane.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I do not have a "tough guy" husband, nor any husband, I'm actually a straight dude.
I can say this much from my own experience: my dad--probably the most masculine person I know, worked his ass off running a construction company, strong as a bull--never once spoke to my mom like this. They're happily married into their 70s.
Meanwhile Crowder's wife is divorcing him, and this video shows us everything we need to know to understand why.
Maybe you had fucked up parents who behaved like this and so you think it's normal and healthy. In which case, you should probably get therapy.
there's very little context but you sure seem to know what it is.
Providing for and controlling are two very different things. He's pretty filthy Rich why does he only have one car and why can she not just go to the store? Do you micromanage your significant others life like that? Sad, if so, and sad if anybody lets you get away with it.
God, yes. Adam and all the little boys who believe in this fairytale at the concrete level should definitely get in that boat and motor far, far away from the rest of us.
I had a father with a temper but it never was like this because my mother did the 1-2 hours of daily chores while he was risking life and limb to feed us.
It must have felt great knowing that if she didn't get her chores done to his satisfaction he would lose his shit on her.
Make sure to treat anyone you're dating like they didn't get their chores done as many times as it takes for them to figure out you aren't a safe person and should not commingle their lives with yours. This isn't a healthy way to live and they deserve a heads-up.
So, you took away the wrong lesson. Instead of learning to be a better person than that, you became an abuse apologist instead. You should be embarrassed to admit that.
So, only conservatives are allowed to be assholes? Did you actually think liberals would just roll over and show their bellies? This ain't the 60s man. They are out for your blood, and my moderate ass is here for it 🍿
Yes, this entire thread is filled with insults, prayers for death or harm, swear words, all by the people accusing Crowder of being a bloodthirsty, horrid person.
I'm reminded of the ob-gyn who was mystified by this "roast beef hanging between your legs" bullshit, because that's not women work. It just underlines the sad fact you've never seen a vagina, and don't understand that, just like men, women can have a lot of sex without their genitals wearing out.
How can her labia be mentally lobotomized? Also having lots of sex doesn't change your genitals, unless you're having sex with a horse or something. Entire babies exit out of there and the vagina still manages to return to approximately its original size, if not its original size. I'm not even sure why you referred to labia to begin with; you stick your dick in the vagina.
Nah man, the video alone could be Steven having a really bad day. What matters is full context, which the article provided. Was he remorseful? Was there a pattern? The answer is, of course, yes. Some things that don't appear a abuseful on the surface add real context. Why did this multimillionaire with a hectic schedule only own one car, rather than his and her car? It was a control tactic.
Until the moment that I realized they only owned one car, I was willing to give that bastard the benefit of the doubt. But, he is financially abusing her.
See pfungus ...that's not an answer to the question and you won't scare me off with snark and you won't deflect peoples attention by trying to embarrass them into pretending they see what they don't see
I mean, I can just go write up a whole-ass transcript of the clip, and copy and paste it here. It's ALL abusive. I literally don't know how to describe it to you if you can't see it. It's like, if I were to point up at the sky on a clear day and say "that's the color blue" and you're like "I don't see any blue." I don't know what you want me to say. Seek therapy.
1. He is banning his wife from leaving and driving.
2. He was manipulating her into performing difficult chores like buying barbecue items, walking the dogs and giving them toxic medication, when she’s 8 months pregnant with twins at this point and not really able to do these things.
3. He tells her he doesn’t love her after she says she loves him and is trying really hard to save their marriage.
4. He threatens her with “watch it, fucking watch it” when she accuses him of abuse.
5. He follows her and keeps tormenting her when she’s just trying to leave the situation - not allowing someone to leave is a textbook example of relationship abuse.
All of these are signs of EMOTIONAL abuse and potentially financial abuse regarding the car situation (different to physical abuse, like in your care), it is a legally defined term.
Do you notice how he continually ties her "disobedience" to her valuation as a human and status in their marriage? "I don't love you because you don't wear gloves", "You aren't a worthy wife because you don't do what I want when I want", "You need to be disciplined to be with me". Paraphrasing, but all very clear statements within the video.
These are controlling and infantilizing tactics. Making someone feel that they must serve you and be obedient to acquire love and worth as a person puts them in a position where they are conditioned to please you without thought for their own needs, desires or opinions. Your love becomes conditional, and the condition to fulfill is complete obedience. Because you have put them in a position where theyy are dependent on you for love and stability in heir life, they become increasingly conditioned to respond "positively" to this tactic. They increasingly learn what makes you happy and what makes you angry, and mold themselves to more precisely bring out pleasure in you to avoid punishment and abandonment.
Which brings the next point : hostage taking. This is a phenomenon where someone causes someone to be in constant fear that they will lose their place with you for a minor infraction. Threats of loss of love, divorce, suicide, etc. can all be ways that you are taken hostage.
Imagine being terrified every week that you don't know if the most important person in your life will leave you the instant you make a small mistake. That you will have to upend your life at any moment. In some cases, you could lose the roof over your head. Or your children. All for...not wearing gloves.
These types of abuse put the victim in an extended state of mental and physical high alert and executive function exhaustion which the body is not designed for, causing the stress reaction to become impaired in a condition known as complex post-traumatic stress disorder. I myself was diagnosed at the age of 24 with the condition due to abuse from my mother.
Just because it’s not physically abusive doesn’t mean it’s not abuse. Emotional abuse exsists! The way he turned everything she said back around on her and made her the problem, controlled her etc. that’s crazy making! Years of that behavior creates CPTSD. It’s abuse, maybe not abuse you are familiar with or have experienced in your life but it is abuse.
No one is telling you that you didn’t experience abuse, how would we know? Can’t you suffer abuse while someone else is experiencing a lesser degree of abuse? Is anything less bad than what you have personally endured not considered abuse to you? It isn’t a dick measuring contest about who has had it worse, with your personal experiences being the threshold for what constitutes as abuse. Holy shit man.
I'm not writing this to be rude, but I'm writing this as a fellow human being - a concerned human. If you were raped and/or abused as a child (or any age) you desperately need therapy ---- not short term, but intensive therapy. I really hope you have received that, and I hope it is ongoing. The trauma that abuse, especially sexual abuse, causes at such a young age is so detrimental - I am begging you, please, please, please, lease get therapy. Please..... Please.. Like, I am literally begging you. Please. Please.
"Survivors of sexual assault can benefit from several types of psychotherapy including psychodynamic psychotherapy, TF-CBT, and EMDR. Processing abuse and trauma is a helpful and necessary step to recovery and is the main focus in these treatment modalities." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239557/)
Now, to talk about abuse. As everyone else has mentioned, there are different types of abuse - physical, sexual, mental, emotional.
Being controlling (especially very controlling) is one form of abuse - the only person you have real control over is yourself, and that should be enough. Everything else is an agreement, and broken agreements shouldn't cause such a reaction.
They only have one car, which I find astounding given their income. Nearly everyone middle class and above has one car per driving adult in the household, and when you get to upper class, it's very common for a 2 parent household to actually have 3 cars (one which they use as a collectable/hobby car/to flex etc) or more. The fact that they only have one car is very indicative that he is abusive and wants her to remain home all the time - what does she do while he's at work? My aunt is stay at home, traditional wife and didn't even have kids --- she has a car to run errands or go out, my uncle has his own car to go to work in, and they even have a third car that they inherited and keep as a spare for when their cars are in the shop. He certainly doesn't have as much money as Crowder. It is very common for abusive spouses to isolate their spouse as much as possible - not allowing them to work, have a car, or general independence is a big indicator of that. How can they leave if they don't have any of the means to do so? More so, the fact that she asked "who would you like me to call for a ride?" - WHAT ADULT has to ask their spouse who can give them a ride???? what?????? It's literally like she is at one point allowed privileges like a child, but also, like she is arguing with a controlling toddler - because, well, she is.
I too suffered with extreme anger, but after being medicated and getting therapy for many years, it's a lot better. It's still present at times, but I try my absolute best to never ever take it out on people/any living beings - sometimes I scream at my computer, sometimes I stomp my feet, sometimes I huff and call someone an asshole (if they're being an asshole), give them attitude, glutaral scream by myself/at the sky - but I never let it go beyond that. And I'm still working on it (and getting better).
Finally, here are some helpful links that outline various forms of non-physical abuse (they're written by experts, so far more credible than a comment section!):
"3. You are asked to check in with your partner at all times to let them know where you are and who you are with, even when spending time with close relatives." - he did that by saying "back when you're back isn't good enough" and her feeling the need to ask who she can get a ride from, and him saying uber --- not even a friend. Him demanding he needs to know the exact time.
"4. Your partner blocks you during conversations or changes the subject to reflect it onto you and your behavior." - ..... the entire video.
"6. Your partner makes you feel as if your feelings are wrong or don't matter." him saying she must do wifely duties, that she's not a devoted or committed wife etc.
"7. Your partner makes you apologize for what you didn't do." - she said I'm sorry and idk what even for.
"10. Your partner has heightened mood swings. One moment they may seem distant, the next, they are unavailable, and then they are loving. You may feel you don't know what to expect or what version of them you get, so you try to change your behaviors to receive love and affection, often to no avail." - entire video. Her saying I love you, and him saying I don't love you.
"15. Your partner has unrealistic expectations or standards and criticizes or harms you if you don't meet them."
"16. They invalidate you, claim you're too sensitive or emotional, refuse to accept your perceptions or opinions, and suggest you are wrong. "
"18. They use emotional blackmail through manipulation, being in control, lying, or using compassion, fear, and other emotions to control the situation."
"19. They act entitled or superior while acting condescending, using sarcasm, treating you as inferior, and acting as if they are always right."
"20. They control you through isolation by taking away possessions, making fun of your loved ones, or using envy or jealousy to keep you from others."
"Are you expected to drop what you’re doing to meet
your partner’s needs?" "Do you have to account for all your time?" "Does your partner insist that everything is your fault?" "Do you have to ask permission to see or spend time with friends or family?" "Does your partner use violence or threats during an argument?" "Does your partner compare you negatively to others?" "Does your partner use “guilt trips” to manipulate you?"
Somehow, all of these things were present in a 3 minute clip - absolutely crazy.
If I somehow need to give you more --- I really can't, but google is free and easy to use.
Again, I do hope you get help. A child being abused is so serious and you desperately deserve and need help (not due to your behavior, but because abuse is so serious).
Being controlling absolutely CAN be abuse. It’s generally acknowledged that controlling behavior is a common first step in the timeline of many abusive relationships. Physical abuse is usually not far behind. We do not see physical abuse in this clip, but we do see verbal abuse and gaslighting. When we consider statistics, such as homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, we realize that we are not effing around here. This video is very troublesome. Not only is he arguing with her over a task (administering dog medication) that seems to be an inappropriate ask in the first place (toxic to preggos) he then spins her lack of compliance as a personal failure on her part as a wife, establishes himself as a victim who has been “disrespected,” and tries to prevent her from leaving (can’t take the car). We see him becoming more agitated and angry as the clip goes on. She attempts to placate him, but ultimately he chases her into the house and says “I’m going to fuck you up.” Now, what part of this story sounds okay to you? To me his behavior screams DANGER. This is not a good guy. This is not a family man. This is another statistic waiting to happen.
Weaponizing your own pain to silence others is a really disgusting way to go about things, and you should probably get some help for that, rather than blaming anyone's nationality. Emotional abuse is not just an American concept.
She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years? You don't think she understood his views on marriage and expectations of traditional marriage roles? Yet she still married him.
I think she knew what she was getting into. She knew his expectations for having a traditional wife, and what those expected wifely duties were. I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right, however, I suspect there are two sides to this larger story and she isn't as innocent in all of this as she seems.
Actually, no... you do not know what people are like before you marry them. They're Christians, and they wouldn't have lived together. I think they were both virgins, too. So, she had no prior relationships, hadn't lived with him, etc. She had no clue. Your statement is retarded. He literally refuses to let her have a car and holds the use of the car over her head, until she "performs wifely duties" to his satisifaction. That's not a traditional relationship... that's some BDSM shit, and Crowder is a disgusting sadist. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw that.
People who look at this and see anything other than very abusive behavior need therapy. I say that as a VERY far right wing happily married woman.
I am probably more conservative than Steven Crowder because I don't like Trump.... and I'm a Christian and I can certainly say that this is abusive behavior. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.
I’m not saying it isn’t abusive behavior, and if this is the norm in their relationship, then Crowder needs help.
But 3 minutes isn’t enough context. She could have been poking and prodding at him all week long and we would have no idea. Narcissists are deaths by a thousand cuts — their victims lash out as their sanity is being taken from them.
I believe Crowder is likely the abuser because he exhibits behavior similar to my ex-wife with NPD, but I’m still a reasonable person and understand 3 minutes is not enough context.
yes, and he could've been poking and prodding her couldn't he? In my experience with abusive people they are the ones who do the poking and prodding and needling hoping to get you to snap, and then they yell at you just like Crowder is doing to his wife.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldn’t leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. I’ve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesn’t make Crowder look good, that’s for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (that’s clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
A number of people in here who are defending Crowder claim to have been the victims of abuse themselves. And to them I say: well that just makes perfect sense. It's not surprising at all to me this does not seem like abuse to you; abuse has been normalized for you, so Crowder's behavior seems less outlandish. But while it may not elevate to the worst things you've experienced, that does not mean it's not abuse.
My experience is the opposite: I've never suffered abuse. I have loving parents, my dad NEVER spoke to my mom like that, they're still happily married in their 70s.
Thanks to past trauma, you are incapable of identifying abuse when you see it, because abuse has been normalized in your life. This means you're more likely to be the victim of abuse in the future. You need therapy.
you can be abusive in reaction to abuse that is certainly possible. it's the system that abusers like to set up for themselves. But if you listen to this thinking back to what Crowder said about his marriage just a few days ago you'll realize that his stories do not match up. He did not look like he had lost his temper in response to something she had done, he was just sitting there in the chair being a smart ass, berating, browbeating, insulting, demanding she do something that she feared was harmful in her condition (whether or not that was true, demanding she do it does not erase her fear) so it sounds like he's the NPD in this scenario.
He may or may not have. Abusive partners can often hide who they really are for years. Add to the fact that you can't always readily divorce someone in certain places, and it's entirely feasible that people pretend to be simeone they're not until they've trapped their partner, whether it be legally, socially, financially, etc..
Also, people can change.
None of this is really that hard to comprehend if you reflect a little harder and or do some "research" on abusive relationships.
Right! Because unless a man prostrates himself and God forbid, not ever argue with his wife, he's bad. Apparently, she's unemployed and doesn't take care of him as a wife should.
While I realize your tiny little baby brain doesn't have room for anything in between a man "prostrating himself" and outright abusing his wife, I hope you can understand that a healthy relationship lies somewhere between those two extremes.
She's carrying his fucking kids, loser. That's not only a job, it is the most important job on this earth. What Steven Crowder does is kind of fucking useless in the grand scheme, and his progeny won't give a fuck, but they'll appreciate his wife bearing them. Being pregnant is extremely hard and it can maim or kill you. It is a very high risk thing and used to be the #1 cause of death in women of child bearing age. It is still deadly.
Also, his wife isn't permitted to own a car, and he gets to decide when and if she uses "the family car"? Is that right? Nobody's allowed to pick her up to run errands until she slathers dangerous chemicals all over their dog at 8mos pregnant?
This isn't about submitting as a man... this is about an 8mo pregnant woman not being stomped all over and treated like a goddamn slave. Get help. You're mentally unwell. Seriously. There is a screw loose.
I’m curious why people are shocked that you will jump to conclusions from a 3 minute video even after watching you jump to “Run away, run away fast.” because someone points out there is no definitive abuse in that clip.
Threatening to fuck someone up is a crime in pretty much every civilized country. The fact that he did that over her trying to go buy GROCERIES show's how unhinged he is. Also, the "odd talk about gloves" is another example of his extreme unreasonableness. The medication was potentially harmful to his unborn children, and instead of being a protective husband and administering it himself to their dog - he was berating her for not taking the risk on herself. Along with screaming at her for not walking their active dog while she was 8 months pregnant - something he also should have taken on as getting up off a chair is already difficult enough at that stage and she was pregnant with TWINS. He's insane and was being an awful and threatening partner to his wife during her most vulnerable time. That's sick and intolerable.
Saying I'll fuck you up or other stupid mid argument comments is not a crime anywhere I know of.
I've said worse without meaning it literally.
I'm willing to believe he may be abusive. I'm just saying I won't accept it based on one 3 min clip with no context and the fact that I don't like his politics.
I like to force myself to be objective in these situations and not do what most people here are doing on either side: decide with their emotions not logic based on who's team they were on before.
Nothing you mentioned is abuse. It's being an asshole.
The old internet trope of arguing with a position someone doesn't hold is still alive n well I see. Lol
Nice to know I didn't miss anything
I don't think it's ok.
I just don't think being mean to somone during an argument gets to share the same term as raping beating and mentally torturing or manipulating...I think if you conflate the two you make people take the term less seriously...which is what happened to "depression" the terms now lost all potency from overuse.
I think it's bad for victims of abuse to risk watering down these terms.
Hey, a lot of people in this thread are being dumb-assholes who aren't actually explaining what is wrong here. It is absolutely asshole behaviour to just call you an idiot when you clearly want a detailed explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about. So let me explain it for you; and as a preamble to that I'll tell you my credentials to make this explanation.
I am now in my early 20s and am in a good place up until quite recently, this was not the case... At the age of around 5-6 my mother found out that my father had been sexually abusing me and my siblings. we went through several years of court, horribly traumatic. During this time, my mother became part of a sort of cult. She became very devoted and made sure we were too. I believed until around 13, I then did not want to be a part of it. I got into numerous arguments with my mother, and eventually I made it clear I didn't believe in her beliefs. From there she became ever more controlling. As a boy growing up, around the age of 12 she made me bleach my facial hair because her "baby was growing up too fast." The fumes burned my eyes and I didn't want to do it. She didn't let me cut my hair and we were in an isolated location so I had nowhere to go. My mom was never overtly physically abusive, but she was one of the most manipulative people I have ever met in my life. I know exactly what verbal manipulation and abuse looks like. I was aware of her abusive tactics for at least 5 or more years before I was able to escape.
The behaviour Crowder displays here is extremely similar to what I experienced. Making love conditional, or trying to control how it is expressed. Isolating the victim so they are trapped. (Be serious, Crowder owns a multi-million dollar house, and makes millions per year but he only has 1 fucking car?) He expects his wife to do all these duties but also somehow not with the car? She is at the peak of her pregnancy, many people cannot even move, or get extremely tired in that state. But he expects her to walk the dogs, do all these chores, possibly expose their unborn children to harmful chemicals in the dog medication, while he sits there smoking a fucking cigar.
He is not being mean to her, he is being extremely threatening. He is the 'breadwinner' which is how he wants it to be in their relationship because he's a classic conservative. The problem is he expects, since he has all the money, he can simply order his wife around to do absolutely everything for him. Being mean or even an asshole would be making her do the dishes after she cooked him dinner in her state of pregnancy. At that point she really shouldn't be expected to do anything, her job is to keep her body in a state that is healthiest for the children. If that is what her job is, then by his own ideology, he should be protecting his wife and kids right? She could literally die if there were complications due to the pregnancy, she is clearly distressed here. Stress is one of the #1 things that can cause complications, he is being a massive piece of shit and possibly endangering his wife and unborn children's lives. He is causing her physical pain through stress caused by verbal abuse. It is much easier to be in pain from emotional turmoil when you're pregnant. He is literally harming her, not just being 'mean'. Even if this was a completely isolated incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still abusive behaviour. Abuse does not necessarily need to be chronic, if I was a parent and I hit my child with a wrench, would that not be considered abuse? Would it not be indicative of other possible abuse? Some people may see it as discipline, but causing physical or mental harm to vurlnerable people is certainly abusive.
Obviously she is her own person and she can also do things for herself, but she should be ensuring that their unborn twins are kept safe at such a critical time. She is trying to do that, but being degraded by him, which is causing her stress, which is harmful to her health and her children's health. This is absolutely abusive behavior, it is manipulative behaviour. This is not being just 'mean' to someone.
This is not an example of conflating terms, sure, people may over exaggerate, but each case should always be taken seriously when someone claims abuse. In this case, there is literal video evidence of abusive behaviour. No matter which way you look at it, this is absolutely unnacceptable behaviour for a husband to exhibit to his wife. Especially when she is that pregnant.
I'm not calling you an idiot, or anything like that, I am telling you that you need to reevaluate how you define or percieve a situation like this. A 'short' video like this can absolutely display abusive behaviour, then it is up to whatever investigative forces to see if said abuse is chronic. In these kinds of cases it usually is, and based on other things in the article, I am inclined to believe it so. I will rescind that statement if further evidence says otherwise. I will however, not rescind my statement about this video showing abuse, it absolutely does.
You know absolutely know about psychology and the various branches of it and it shows. You also think you're somehow better than everyone and no one should call out your stupidity.
Him being an asshole isn't what ppl are calling abuse. Its the tactics he was using to try & get her to do what he wanted that is abusive. I think you should prob look into what gaslighting looks like, what psychological abuse in a romantic relationship looks like. You're hesitant bc it was just a 3 min clip w no context but here's the thing... You don't need a ton of context to know that how he was treating her, the twisting of what she would say, turning things back to him, making her out to be the selfish one who doesn't care about him, not being "worthy", all of that is textbook emotional abuse within a romantic relationship. Steven clearly wants to control ppl around him & his wife was no exception. He is very calm in that clip, he's not shouting or shrieking, which is often more terrifying. You can tell she was trying to keep the peace & set her own boundary but he refused to see it & made it about himself & gasli the hell outta her.
I can promise anyone that if I told you in a parking lot that I would fuck you up, you would quickly call the Police right after pissing your pants. The internet tough guy smart ass thing only works in fantasy land. Act like that towards an actual man.
Dude you were one of the first people on here to comment and defend his behavior, so now tell me who wants to blow things out of proportion and be dramatic?
Oh look. Another scaredy-cat terrified of leaving his house without his security blanket. Trigger-happy people like you are a danger to society and need to stay home.
Hey get this, I live in fucking Texas and I have called the cops on an abusive and mentally ill family member after they went on a rampage destroying the house and literally while on the phone with the operator they were actively threatening to fuck me up if I didn't put the phone down. Guess what happened? Somebody got slapped with a class a misdemeanor and spent some time in jail. Wanna know where he is now? Oceans behavioral hospital.
Ahh, found the closeted homosexual hater who routinely uses derogatory comments against gays to make his points about how much better he is than “less moral” people
It’s very much so abuse, and he was threatening her. Threatening people here in AMERICA can land you in all kinds of hot water, especially if they are your spouse. All of that falls under the umbrella of domestic abuse. If you’re going to come on here and cosplay as an American then maybe you should know what the fuck you’re talking about. I’m sorry you were very clearly terribly abused as a child, but YOU do not get to decide what abuse is or whether or not what he did is harmful, that’s not how this works. I guarantee most mental health professionals, social workers, cops are lawyers would most certainly see his behavior as domestic abuse. He doesn’t have to put hands on her to be an abusive piece of shit, he’s already accomplishing that by making unreasonable demands and telling her she’s not allowed to use the car. This is America, it’s a free country and being his wife she had just as many rights to that car as he did. It was a classic isolation technique he was using.
What is with all "there's no context" drivel here? There's plenty of context in this video. And it's basically impossible to remain objective when presented with video evidence of someone angrily insulting their pregnant wife (while smoking a cigar next to.....yeah, his -pregnant wife-) while also breaking her down and attempting to strip away her agency.
And yes. verbally threatening your spouse with physical violence ("I'll fuck you up") is illegal.
Actually it is. It is illegal to threaten serious bodily harm to another, even if she’s your wife who is about to go get you groceries without your permission, while seven months pregnant with your children.
It’s called Verbal ABUSE and leads to all sorts of mental /emotional problems by those who receive it. His demeaning way of speaking to her, throwing accusations & not really allowing her to respond without interrupting her in an escalatory way causes her to just try to placate him until she gets into a safe place…She try’s to keep her responses short & non escalatory.
Thanks for putting your words to my thoughts. I am Livid with this 'less than a' man and will expose his egregerious behaviour to all friends and family!
The author of the article claims to have heard audio of Steven Crowder admitting he told his wife he'd fuck her up.
Sorry, but it's gonna take better evidence than that to convince me.
Seems like a rather important part of the story. If the video/audio actually existed - I'd expect it to be included in the article rather than simply being alluded to in the article - and annotated in the video.
It's fascinating how you won't believe a video, won't believe the article, but will believe anything that exculpates your abusive idol.
Consider that Steven would be able to sue Yashar for defamation if Yashar were manufacturing this information, and consider that he has not and will not.
Consider that you are doing mental gymnastics trying to justify abuse.
If the "I'll fuck You up" part happened after he followed her into the house then it stands to reason it wouldn't have been caught on the outdoor patio ring camera. If there isn't video footage of him saying it, but there's some kind of evidence (given to the author of the article by her family as I understand it) of him admitting to & acknowledging that he said it, then how do you expect there to be footage of it? We don't always get to have all the evidence in situations. That's why in court as a juror for instance you're told to use your experience, your common sense, critical thinking, & logic to look at the evidence you do have & come to a decision. No one is suggesting solely from this 3 min clip that Steven is all evil & HC is "innocent" of any wrong doing. We're looking at a several minutes long clip (longer than viral clips of Karens being accused of racism that are taken at face value) & we're saying "this encounter, how he spoke to her & how he demeaned & belittled & gaslit her are indicative of emotional abuse. In that moment no matter what HC said beforehand Steven was being abusive. And those aren't tactics someone just starts using randomly. Ppl who use the tactics Steven used are skilled at using them...as he was. He was calm. She was showing signs of panic. That tells me she has seen this behavior before & was trying to appease him. It tells me he doesn't like to be challenged & will manipulate those around him to get what he wants. So whether or not they're both abusive isn't really the issue in this clip. Maybe she's just as bad. But it doesn't excuse what he did or said.
Get out now!!!! But prepare an escape plan with some close friends and family…. Try to set up your own bank account for survival needs. This creep will probably get vicious and vengeful so get an attorney for legal advice and defense. Stay off social media or block him , get friends to do the same. This guys fucked up
I know this from 1st hand experience with cops. They specifically stated that a one time threat like that is not something that you can do anything about.
Abuse isn't just physical. Mental and emotional abuse is when you use words, emotions and threats of violence to coerce, control, and manipulate your partner to get what you want. It starts with abuse in the first thing he says. "I drew a boundary." Boundaries are explicitly about what the boundary setter will and will not do - it is not about what other ppl do. When it's a healthy expression about other ppls actions it is often called an "expectation", which ppl are not obligated to fulfill. Here instead his "boundary" is that she is not to use the car. I wouldn;t even say it's a healthy expression of an expectation. Realistically, it seems to be a "command" which he is enforcing. All of this is to say, he cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. This also makes us wonder about the material conditions of this household and who has access to what. Consider: Why is there only one car? Abusers control your access to the outside world. The fact that they only have one car in the first place, (apparently?) is suspicious. It seems like a way to control. And it clearly is about control!
Because, why can't she take the car right now? there are no signs that he is going anywhere. In fact, he offers to go do the exact same thing she is trying to go do. he tells her to take an uber. so, why can't he take an uber if it's that easy? Probably because he knows she wouldn't feel safe - and she clearly does not like the option. Which is reasonable!! if somebody is going to take the uber it should be whoever is stuck at home without the car, obviously, who needs to get somewhere desperately. In practice, he is just keeping her stuck there with him - or at least making the ways to leave very difficult or unpleasant.
The tone when he says "watch it. fucking watch it." is said like a threat. It is an obvious threat of violence and control and made worse by the fact he apparently has a volcanic temper with a much larger, stronger body. that's scary! (and it's the point, i think) What's more, the thing he chose to give a threat about: if a partner tells you they think you're being emotionally abusive, you dig into why - you don't threaten them into silence.
The context for the gloves is in the article. He wanted her to give medicine to the dogs even though she was uncomfy with it. She thought it might be dangerous to pregnant women. Instead of accepting this, because there's no reason the pregnant woman should be doing this, he chooses to be manipulative and controlling. he says essentially "if you don't do as i asked, giving the dogs medicine, then you are a bad and uncommitted wife" even though neither of those things are true, obviously. she is scared of the medicine, and she doesn't HAVE to be the one to give it to the dogs. there are lots of reasons she wouldn't want to give the dogs medicine that don't reflect on her ability as a wife. he is using her desire to be a good wife against her to control her behavior.
after she tries to leave and deescalate the situation he follows her, berating her and talking down to her about her quality as a wife. And over what? she wants to use the singular car and she is uncomfortable giving medicine to the dogs. He may not like those things, but the way he expresses this and the actions he takes to make it better are abusive and manipulative. He cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. He makes out "disobedience" of what he wants her to do into a moral failing and starts chasing her to keeping hammering home how awful she is even though she's trying to deescalate.
That's just what we can see in the video. The article states they have sources saying he is explosively angry, has threatened her overtly (rather than implictly as we see in the video), and released a public statement about how, if it was his choice alone, there would be no divorce. He even goes after no fault divorce. Forcing someone to stay in a marriage with you is abuse. Fantasizing about it is fantasizing about abuse. it's sick.
inb4 u say something like "i've basically done all these things or similar. Am i an abuser" The answer is yes.
That's basically what I came here to say and you hit on the key issues. They seem well to do so the fact that they only have one car is highly suspicious. If she were a habitual reckless driver or something, that probably would have come up in their discussion about her taking the car. So it really does seem like an abusive situation, with him trying to micromanage her life and reacting with extreme anger when things don't go the way he thinks they should.
The fact that he expected her to handle potentially dangerous medication while pregnant is a huge red flag too. What kind of man doesn't try to protect his wife and children, and instead puts them at risk for his own convenience?
Somebody mentioned he may have had surgery recently that would make it dangerous for him also. Of course he could try the glove approach himself since he seems so certain it'd be protective enough. Regardless, denigrating her because of her discomfort with doing it is unnecessary. There are even potential options like a friend of family member helping them out. It doesn't have to be her - he only insists on it bc he doesn't like she told him no.
It's a very coherent and well-written post, Ray. You can just admit to everyone else you don't have a real rebuttal and that you support Crowder being abusive.
Sorry your father treated you and your mother like shit and you think this is normal. What was he? A drunk? Or maybe he diddled you. Hope you get the therapy you obviously need.
There's like five of them SO ANGRY we don't consider mean words to share a category with rape and assault...coz mean words are awful....then they hurl abuse and mean words at people!!! lol
They can't even talk like adults. They have the maturity of 9 year olds.
Your hypocrisy and having no argument but the very verbal abuse you say is unacceptable says it all about how seriously you should be taken
Bro you know studies show that the psychological damage taken from verbal abuse is the same as in sexual and physical abuse? Just because it doesn't leave a physical scar doesn't mean damage wasn't done.
Unless you think abuse can only be abuse if someone is physically assaulted
I take a literalist and legalistic view on what you call abuse in a marriage. Crowder is 100 percent guilty of being a controlling and manipulative abuser. And not only that, but he showed no remorse even going as far as lying about the divorce, blaming it all on his ex, on his show.
That was abuse. Its the same shit my dad used to do, minus the physical assults and holding us hostage.
Guess what?
Neither of his children, nor his ex wife obviously, nor his immediate family wants anything to do with him. He has gotten banned from his own grandmothers home after years of her making excuses for his poor temper like the above.
You would have to be extremely emotionally weak and fragile if that exchange between the disingenuous wife and Crowder speaking up about their marriage issues counts as abusive.
The fact that you think it's normal and acceptable to scream that you're going to fuck up your pregnant wife after preventing her from leaving the house really shows how unfit you are for civilization.
Mental & psychological abuse are abuse. Also you may not view telling your spouse they "aren't worthy" as verbal abuse but i think most people would. It was textbook abuse what he did to her in that clip.
Pussy ass little bitch was your reply to you must hate men... seriously... You are the worst victim on here. A woman calling any man a pussy ass bitch over that comment is abusive. Your abuse. Just like the hundreds of other times you take any opportunity you can to lash out. Fuck the American woman. A monument to hypocrisy and entitlement. You go fuck yourself. Pray the social contract holds. Otherwise you WILL abide by nature. You're like meerkat telling lions to sit down. To men who do not hurt you physically but tell you No, you owe all of them an apology and respect because they work and give there lives for women every day. . Ugh sickening you are. Making it worse and lying about it
You know what’s sickening? Men like you who think women are less than them. Men like you who think it’s a woman’s job to take care of them and see to all their wants and needs. It’s sickening that a grown ass man can watch that clip and find nothing wrong with it. It’s sickening that a grown ass man would think it’s acceptable to talk to anyone the way that piece of shit talked to his wife. It’s sickening that there’s backward ass thinking men like you still out being a menace to society. I don’t know what your “you will abide by nature” comment means, but you can shove that right up your misogynistic ass. The fucking 1800s called, they want their outdated way of thinking back. And by the way, you wouldn’t like it in my world, because where I work, I’m the boss and the men have to listen to me. Oh to be a female in power these days. Better pray you never meet one like me.
I don't see any. I see an angry woman acting like an angry woman. This is why, as a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Dude, you don't think the WAY he was speaking to her was abusive? Forget what he was talking about "dogs & cars & gloves" the fact is he was belittling her, gaslighting her, turning things around on her?
The article references audio & documentary evidence of Steven admitting to having a temper, difficulty controlling his rage, & being in therapy & you think there is no context for the allegation of abuse? This is classic emotional & psychological abuse my man.
It's perfectly possible to have an argument with one's spouse that isn't abusive. This wasn't just an argument - it was abuse. And you know it is, because you definitely wouldn't let someone else speak to your wife that way.
You implied this by responding to criticism of Steven belittling and gaslighting his wife with a comment mocking the belief that a man wasn't allowed to argue with his wife, which suggests that you think being abusive and being argumentative are equivalent. If you had believed otherwise, then you would have directly refuted their criticism of Steven being abusive instead of deliberately misinterpreting their comment as criticism of Steven for arguing with his wife.
The only one making a strawman argument here is you.
If that was not the implication in your post, what was the message you were trying to convey when you posted "How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!"
Thanks for at least trying to be civil (you're the only one).
The way he talked to her was petulant and disgraceful.
I don't think it should be called 'abuse' because I think we should have learned a lesson from our well meaning attempts to spread mental health awareness last ten years...that when you over use these terms for lesser levels of problems you water the terms down and the public treats then less seriously then not seriously at all.
Real psychological abuse is too subtle to show up on a small video clip it's not something you can represent easily that's why it's so maddening (I speak from experience of all the kinds of abuse).
I thnk the USA goes too far tossing alarmist term around, then it spreads to us in Europe and then the term loses its shock and potency.
Maybe this is too conplex an argument for hysterical liberals who make all their opinions based on emotion but I've seen it before.
"I have depression" used to be a v serious thing to say. People would put their coffee down and put their arm around you...worried.
Now it's completely lost all its power because people toss the word around so much and it's not taken seriously.
Look at "genocide" in politics..in the 90s it was used to refer to trying to exterminate a group of people..now activists use it to refer to people disagreeing with a policy on trans people.
Watering the term down hurts victims in the long run because it normalised it and makes it seem common
Anyway I gotta go it's nearly midnight here and I have a job to get up to in 6 hours where unlike some of these other keyboard warriors I actually help real 'domestic' violence victims in the real world. It's harder than clicking a like and saying stuff, amazingly.
Plenty of people have engaged you civilly, which is difficult to do when one of the parties of the argument is handwaving away obvious abuse. Each of your posts is pretty obviously an attempt at gaslighting people into not seeing the obvious verbal abuse on the video and ignoring the actual threats made by Crowder that he himself has admitted to making.
Anyways, gaslighting is a technique repeatedly used by abusers, so this frankly tracks with all the replies to your comments that have correctly identified you as using the language and tactics of an abuser. Coincidentally, this also aligns with you repeatedly defending the abuser and not the victim.
So maybe just take a seat and stop trying to pretend that you're the victim in this thread.
Ryan, you are either trolling, disingenuous, or a psychopath. For the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in a relationship with you, I hope it's the former.
That's maybe the 20th message from your side of the argument here and none of you engaged the substance of my argument one but you just resort to and honinum attacks and the very verbal abuse you say is not ok.
If it's not ok for Crowder to lose his cool with his wife in spur of the moment and say mean stuff why is it ok for you to do it to a stranger who was the victim of the very kind of abuse you claim to have such concern about?
Is it because this has nothing to do with your empathy for abuse victims and more that it's just a fun way to dance on the PR grave of someone from the 'other team' (Crowder).?
I think that's all it is. Someone who was consistent in their principles and had genuine empathy for victims of abuse would not read this from somone who said "hey former victim of physical abuse here..I don't get why this verbal stuff should share a category with what I went through...can you explain that argument to me?" ...then respond with abuse and name calling and 'cute' statements about them personally.
yeah because a women who's prego with a stomach bigger than 2 watermelons.... should have to walk their dogs and bend down and pick up dog shit. When the perfectly able body husband who is chilling at home can't be bothered. Make it make sense.
He is controlling barking orders telling her she needs to be disciplined and respectful and become "worthy of a wife" like she is a child, and not his partner. In the video it stated inside he said "I will fuck you up" If thats not abuse you're smoking something or trying to manipulate whats obvious.
I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse.
I know psychological abuse can be subtle so outsiders can't see it, and this gaslights the victim sometimes driving them crazy. It's just that:
1. I'm not seeing either type here
2. You can't judge based on one 3 min clip with no context released on purpose by one of the disputing parties...how can anyone think that's either representative or likely to provide an accurate picture??
What context do you need to determine whether what he was doing would qualify as abuse? Like what determines that in your mind? How is it not psychological abuse to tell your spouse they aren't worthy? I just don't understand how you could watch that & not think "damn that's messed up Steven"... Allowing his rage at what he views as disrespect by her, disrespect he believes he's due as her husband, to control him is what i saw. He expects a certain level of respect & submission by her & when he thinks he isn't getting he lashes out & tries to control what she does by ridiculing & belittling her. She said she loves him and he throws it back & says "if u loved me you would submit". He talks about her needing to think about "discipline". What do you think that is about if not an attempt to change her behavior for his own benefit? Its very narcissistic abuse like behavior in my opinion.
The people asking for more context in this thread are generally not arguing in good faith and are simply using it as a means to deflect away any valid criticism of Crowder.
"I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse."
This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that you've experienced such abuse means it's normalized to you. So when you see Crowder's behavior like this, it seems relatively benign to you. But this IS abuse, even if it does not elevate to some of the worst things you've experienced. It's not normal, it's not okay. There's a reason she's divorcing him.
Coming from the opposite angle: my dad--probably the most masculine person I've ever known, hard-working, ran a construction business, built dozens of homes--NEVER spoke to my mom like that. They're still happily married in their 70s.
What you need is therapy. If you cannot see abuse for what it is, you are likely to continue to be the victim of it.
The fact that you've experienced abuse, but cannot see this for that is clear evidence that you're in no position to make that judgment. You haven't received the therapy or insight you need to stop perpetuating abusive environments. When you are abused, you are attracting it and tolerating it. A lot of that has to do with an inability to see it for what it so clearly is. I have been through life threatening abuse, and I sought a LOT of therapy to help me parse through it. I really think you should do the same. Maybe you coming to this thread, and getting all of the negative feedback you're getting is a sign from God that this is something you need to heal and start seeing more clearly.
I think we can stop responding to Chandra now guys. Not only is she repeating herself to the point of spam with irrelevant info about her own personal history but she can't have an adult discussion without resorting to sounding like some crack ho on a corner in jersey.
> Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
Yes. The article mentioned several employees who used work for Crowder describing him as fostering "cult-like" behavior in his workplace while also being extremely intolerant of dissent.
His YouTube channel is also a great place to look. For a guy who uploaded a clip of him essentially parodying the murder of George Floyd, it is really not unreasonable to deduce that the asshole he presents himself as on his channel translates to the way he presents himself in his marriage.
> What's the context here?
What context do you think would have made what he said acceptable?
I don't see much in the article either but the article wouldn't be proof
Have we not learned from the scandals about the Trump Russia conspiracy theory, the stuff out today from the twitter files about the pharma lobby donations, the WMD scandal with bush...the 'Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian op' stuff being made up ...that you can't trust something automatically just because it's posted by a journalist
The trump Russia stuff was not a conspiracy. muller couldn't do what he wanted to do because he believed you cannot indict a sitting president. There was plenty of collusion from people on his campaign. Trump pardoned some of them. muller was clear that you could indict him for some of that stuff after he leaves office.
Also, considering the instruction that they pulled against the Mueller investigation, you can't be sure that there was nothing to it. This is why obstruction is in itself a crime. If you successfully cover up a crime to the point where it cannot be prosecuted, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen.
sally this article is from over a FUCKING YEAR AGO so forgive me for taking a few days to get back to you. perhaps consider my comment may have contained some sarcasm that you, responding to a discussion FROM OVER A FUCKING YEAR AGO, may not be picking up on
Never, but that’s not how he said that from other posters and tbh, I didn’t even hear that.
Can you point to the time stamp pls, so I can hear it?
My wife and I have been together for 20yrs. She’s kicked me in the balls and I dragged her down a flight of stairs for it. She’s told me she wanted me dead and I told her I hated her.
We love each other to pieces and would never do anything to really hurt the other. People are dynamic, they get angry, shit happens.
We have just as much love and fun times, way more in fact. We both see this world as basically beyond saving.
Always apologize if we mistreat one another. Life goes on. This was nothing.
Our children, life, home… they mean so much more to both of us than any stupid words said in frustration.
This is literally nothing.
The wife is sus, as would be crowder if he released it and she had told him she’d like to kill him.
The medicine he wants her to pick up is toxic to pregnant women, and she's quite obviously pregnant in the video. Not to mention the language he uses is very commanding and lacks any and all respect and civility.
If a man exercised his vocabulary and showed anger like Chandra to a woman, she could claim abuse, fear of her life, file a restraining order and have the man evicted from the family home. Ironic eh?
You're pretty gross, man. A man threatening his wife with assault is always a terrible indicator that he can't control his temper which eventually leads to abuse. But a man threatening his PREGNANT wife with assault is absolutely on the brink. Pretending otherwise is despicable.
I bet they get on their knees and thank God every day after watching this. I don't understand how ANYBODY can watch this and say it's not abusive. I was terrified for her and her unborn child! The dog didn't look too happy either.... Tail down, scared. Looks like a typical day. Wow!
They always tell on themselves. Blaming no fault divorce instead of himself and his anger control issues. He would have preferred his wife to be stuck with no options. And what kind of person schedules elective surgery when their wife is nearing the end of her pregnancy? And missing his children's birth, too? Quite the family man.
The phrase elective surgery is hilariously misleading. It was open chest surgery at Mayo Clinic. He had to put steel rods above his heart to prevent his body from collapsing into his heart
Lol it was indeed elective surgery. His heart was never at risk of being crushed; it's purely an aesthetic choice. In other words, it wasn't medically necessary but Crowder felt that the surgery would help him feel more himself i.e., would make him look more like a man...
Seriously, I have a friend with the same condition. It's elective. When he was growing up his party trick was eating cereal from the 'bowl' in his chest. He's in his mid-30's now and still has it. Not life-threatening at all, just slightly weird looking.
Based on your near-nonsensical description of the medical circumstances, I am assuming the surgery was to correct pectus excavatum? To call that an elective surgery would be factually accurate, not "hilariously misleading".
I am kind of confused about that elective surgery thing. Did he say he had a concave sternum or something? There were pictures of him with the kids after they were born and he was bare chested. No scars that I could see. Where in the world do they cut people for that?
The claim Steven shouted "I'm going to fuck you up" is said to have occurred just seconds AFTER the video ends. The (multiple) sources are all anonymous, who shared text messages (etc), but none are presented. Statements are made by the wife's family (no bias there), and assumed factual, during a nasty 2 year long divorce with perhaps millions on the line. Yet, BOTH parties claim no physical abuse ever occurred.
Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
If you don't see any sort of manipulation from that video, any fan of Crowder knows that Dave Landau is an extremely trustworthy source of information. I'm not sure if you are able to see it, but it's quite obvious listening to Crowder speak that he has a massive ego. When inflated by yes men, this ego can get out of hand real quick.
An asshole trying to emotionally manipulate his wife who is 8 months pregnant into doing something she doesnt want to is being abusive. Why couldn't he have just walked the dogs and gave them the meds himself? He was just being controlling and mean for no reason. You're telling me he can't afford 2 cars? No. He liekly keeps 1 car to control her.
This was what gets me, what's he doing? He's just sitting there hanging out, isn't that the time to do simple pleasant chors like medicating your dog and going on a walk? He doesn't want her taking the car because WHAT IF he needs it. While completely disregarding her needing the car right then and there for a finite errand.
Whether or not he’s an abuser is up for debate but we can agree he’s an asshole. And that’s still not okay. The way he treated her is not okay. We don’t have to make it abuse to say that.
There is literally an verbally and mentally video attached to the article. You are so biased and a simp for Crowder that you can't even think clearly on what a shred of evidence is! Get real. This proves more then enough Crowder is an angry and vindictive person. End of story.
if you have a problem with making judgments (and in spite of that you have made your own) about a three minute video and people not minding their own business why are you here? Go mind your own business.
Talking down to his pregnant wife like she's property. Forbidding her the ability to use the car to buy the groceries he wants. Acting put upon when Not allowing her to speak at all. Acting like he's being victimized and "trapped" at home if she leaves to go to the groceries. Demanding SHE give HIS dogs their medicine while she's worried about the affect on her pregnancy.
If this looks or OK to you, then there's nothing left to say. We all see what a piece of shit he is in 4K, and no amount of willful blindness or denialism is going to make sane people doubt the evidence of their own eyes and ears
Do you see no irony at all in your hurling vicious verbal abuse at us for just having a different opinion to you...while you say the guy who was in the tape curing was abusive??
We just have a different opinion than you...that's all...you can be civil..
It seems like you don't this so, FYI, a man being abusive towards his wife IRL !=! a stranger calling you names on the internet.
Defending abuse isn't the same as a "different opinion," BTW. If I minimized abuse by saying an adult man only fingered a little girl "for a few seconds," I would still expect to be shit on extensively in the comments.
it's a bit disconcerting when you define abuse as simply "differences of opinion."
Chandra is trying to tell you that her mother was murdered by the same kind of person. Differences of opinion in those cases lead to death of the victim. Can't blame her for being a little upset about that.
i'm sure that is still in the works, but you seem to think that it's easy to convince a court to keep one parent away from his children based on testimony for which there is little corroborating evidence. (thank God the ring camera was working but a lot of women or not so lucky)
If a man said that; the woman could call the police, claim verbal abuse and be scared for her life, have the man thrown out of the house and a TRO filed. Then, he would need an independent party (monitor) to be present when visiting his children. Ya, ask me how I know.
You seem to be leaving a few things out here, danny boy, like why a family court judge determined you weren't safe to be with your children unsupervised.
You could respond to that situation by playing the victim on social media, or getting into therapy to figure out how to treat people in ways that don't involve TROs and courts.
Not to mention his side (attorney advised) may not want to comment in detail considering they are litigating. As someone in the midst of a high conflict divorce, who also faced similar allegations, it's not smart to address these issues in the public with statements that could be used against you in court. It's definitely a 1 sided article.
It’s a VIDEO of an exchange that goes on and on. There is no “sides” when only watching the video. I’ve not “read” a thing when all one needs to do is watch, assuming a it’s real.
Sorry for your loss. Your situation does not change the fact that false allegations of abuse by women occur daily and are done so to gain sympathy in court.
In fact, those same false allegations are heinous b/c they take resources away from the real victims of real abuse such as your mother. They also take innocent fathers away from their children.
Danny: did you bother to watch that video? Have you ever watched Crowder? Let’s be sure, why women (like this) end up with men (like that) will always be a mystery, but the results have always been fairly predictable.
Yes, I have seen Crowder before and enjoyed a few of his clips b/c they were logical and dealing with illogical people and illogical arguments.
That being said, I do not follow him closely and will admit know very little beyond those few clips I saw.
What you see is different from what I see which is why I am saying that context matters and we should avoid rushing to judgment until all the facts come out.
why ES, false allegations do occur by women. we are commenting on Crowder based on the video and his own public words. You are imagining up some scenario, regardless of what is publicly known, in which Crowder is not the bad guy. And they all lived happily ever after.
I have always liked Louder with Crowder, and for the most part, Steven Crowder.
Yes... this video is a single snapshot with absolutely no context. I get that.
HOWEVER... if the tenor of this exchange happened more than 2 times in 10 years... Crowder has BIG big problems. He IS an abuser, and should get professional help, IF he wants to get better.
Is he a "Juicer" and has "roid rage"? Good question.
If he is unable to find a side to himself, that lets him feel compassion for other people, I hope he just goes away for good. What a dick
He wont' let her have a car, bro, and won't let her use the car until she performs her "Wifely duties" of slathering dangerous chemicals on a dog while 8mos pregnant. I don't know how you can see that there isn't enough context to know whether this is abuse or not...
> Moments later, off camera, Steven Crowder, by his admission, would lose control and scream at his pregnant wife in a threatening tone, "I will fuck you up," which led his wife to flee their home.
Steven Crowder himself admitting to what he said is not an anonymous source.
> Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
What more context do you need? What circumstances surrounding the dialog presented in the video would have made Crowder's statements acceptable?
> This feels like a poorly constructed hit job.
You've probably gaslighted yourself into bootlicking a conservative grifter who profits off your gullibility to his misinformation.
"As they headed inside, Crowder got angrier and angrier and was, *by his admission* (via audio I reviewed) yelling angrily and said, 'I will fuck you up.' According to *both Crowders*, Steven immediately pulled back and realized what he said."
LOL Pan-Africanism go to Somalia or South Africa and see how you get ripped out and tricked out stupid. "Black" is a color. Not a unifying identity.
Good job with the social justice btw love watching roving mobs of black teens beat a black man half to death for defending his white girlfriend, who also was dragged and beaten. Your ancestors would be proud.
LOL, the woman screaming obscenities to try to shut people up apparently believes herself to be the advocate for victims. Self-righteousness is a helluva drug!
Sitting on the patio of an expensive home, forcibly smoking a cigar at 2 p.m. while yelling at your pregnant wife to walk the dog is a picture-perfect representation of the Conservative pundit class.
Excellent reporting. I'm so glad to hear this poor women's story is getting out and Crowder gets the condemnation he deserves.
He acts like a nacissistic sociopath. It seems like he really resented Hilary getting pregnant and did everything he could to ignore it or be in denial about it. After the birth, he left and filed for divorce. The birth of the kids seems to have triggered him. It appears he was possibly abused by one or both of his parents and the idea of becoming parent himself, or his wife becoming a mom, is traumatic to him. He wanted her to "serve" him and his needs despite needing to take care of herself and their unborn children. I'm glad Hilary is finally telling the truth, before the situation escalated further. I hope they all get the help they need and that she gets sole custody and he has supervised visitation.
If he treats an adult this way in private, how will he he treat vulnerable children?
Having a father who became worse after my mother gave birth, this makes sense. He wanted kids, but couldn’t handle my mother loving anyone or anything more than him. Hence why the oldest was abused the most, as well as the dog, house plants, or anything else she showed love and affection towards. He would pick the leaves off her plants just to see if she would react.
Living with someone like this leads to those around them to become manipulative in order to survive. Those around the abuser begin to believe that they are responsible for others’ actions and emotional well-being.
Steven’s belief that his wife only wanted him for his money is a deeper rooted issue of feeling unworthy or unloved. This happens when he has abused her to the point that she does not actually live him anymore, but is in survival mode, and he knows it. I’ve seen this more than once, and it drives a man to insanity.
This is the all too common story found in the dark corners of conservative philosophy and it is what drives people away from it. Abuse and the excuses people make for it.
play nice.......people are broken. Society has failed them. Public school has "f"ed them up. Drugs, alcohol, broken homes, all and sundry, and sometimes venting online is all they have, literally. People are trifles, to be used, abused, farmed for revenue and disguarded. What you are reading from them is a cry, literally, for help, for love, for concern. Remember that. Most are adult broken children. Sad.
"But I don't love you, and that's the problem." And it sure is the problem! For him to say that to the mother of his child is reprehensible. There is nothing that transpired prior to this video that justifies a man saying that to his pregnant wife. That behavior alone is emblematic of a childish, abusive baby-man of a narcisist, regardless.
It is never reprehensible to be honest. She clearly not only did not love him but she was trying to falsely claim he was abusive certainly to be used for a divorce. Now that is whay is reprehensible! Being pregnant does not give a women the right or excuse to be malicious with making false accusations.
Says who? If the wife actions are not loving.and the wife is not sharing any genuine love towards him how can you expect him to have love back. Love is a two way street. The wife was being disingenuous when saying she loved him on the camera. That was just an act for the camera. Crowder was the only one being honest there. You could tell there was nothing sincere in her words. You can't force feelings of real love especially when the other side has none for you. You can tell she had already decided to divorce him and her being disingenuous was clearly making Crowder upset and causing him to say what he was saying. You clearly are not seeing past the superficial words of the video and not grasping the underlining context and circumstances behind them.
1. When people show you who they really are, believe them.
2. How the heck do they only have one car in 2021, after Steven was already making well more than the $100k per year he was making in 2012? Probably to control her.
He should be in jail or hospitalized for the insane. This person isn’t a man, he is a monster! What does he know about the Bible or anything to do with kindness, love, caring and family. No one should ever behave this way to anyone, let alone a wife 8 months pregnant with twins. Keep the kids away from him
Nah, he seems pretty based. As a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
How many of these kinds of "conversations" are happening on a daily basis throughout the US and around the world? Why is this so familiar, so common, so appalling? Doesn't matter one bit if he's a celebrity. You don't treat your pregnant wife this way.
Maybe it's invading somones personal life by showing footage from inside their home without context claiming to show "abuse" from a guy who only once gets out of his seat and never even raises his voice.
Consider she may know this is being shared or will be just like Depp did with his recordings so is gonna sound v reasonable.
I've seen guys do psychological manipulation but I've also seen women sound totally reasonable when doing it to make the
You have to be v v careful with these out of context internet videos I've been manipulated and burned by them before.
I've lived psychological manipulation I know it's a thing, it can be worse than physical because the abuser does it in a way that's so subtle to make the guy look like the crazy one.
Stop thinking about what team you are on guys and try looking at it as person X verses person y.
Firstly, how could Crowder, someone that claims they idealize and adhere to traditional gender roles in marriage do this to his wife?! He throws a fit about her taking the car, and suggests that she takes a Uber! She is 8 months pregnant and his wife! What a strong man, looking out for his wife and their progeny!
Secondly, he then makes her "put on gloves and walk the dogs". She has rightful reservations that the meds could be teratogenic. Once again he fails as the "father/man" role he always expounds! Why couldn't he walk the dogs? Why doesn't he want to protect his children?!
Thirdly, he wasn't present for the birth.....failed again.
Fourthly, he loses his cool witnessed in this video and also later according to his own admission. According to him and conservatives, women, the left, weak individuals are supposed to be hysterical and emotionally lose their cool. The only hysterical one is him, what a fraud!
Oh, and what kind of man smokes around his pregnant wife?! I'm glad that teamster clocked him!
here's my thought about where she wanted to go with the car, she probably did have some errands to run but also might've been going to talk to a lawyer or a therapist and didn't want him to know. An Uber rental would give a record of where she went.
Nothing in that video is defensible and nothing in your comment is defensible. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the indefensible because you like Crowder. Disgusting.
when person X is not the one screaming and yelling, then person Y is the abuser when he is screaming and yelling and using profanities especially considering person X is eight months pregnant with twins
Nobody was murdered in this clip. No murder was threatened. No violence of any kind took place.
So I'm not sure why you'd bring that up. But if we're doing the oppression Olympics game you Americans love to play let's play: I got Cowders wife beat.
I read the article..ok so let's assume he talks down to get regularly in a domineering way and wanted her to handle dog food she thought was risky....let's assume those.
That's it? This is the worst they could find...according to the article with the video this is the 'pinnacle ' of his abuse?
Well I'm sorry but it confirms what I've always thought about Americans, especially middle class and above...youve gone soft as shit in the last 20 years and wouldn't know a real challenge if it bit you in the ass.
As someone (since we're doin that) who has had ACTUAL abuse (no Yanks people SAYING mean stuff to you is not the same as full on abuse) both physical and violent sexual when a kid from adult figures I would have traded the abuse she shows here for what I got in a hit second.
"Wifely duties" are we to really honestly believe that she married this hardcore neanderthal conservative without realising he had more traditional (perhaps backward?) ideas on how marriage works? That she's just finding this out now and is SHOCKED! SHOCKED TO FIND GAMBLING IN THIS CASINO!!?
she brings it up because this is where it starts and you guys keep saying that we only know this three minute video. Yeah that's why we are pretty convinced there's a whole lot more worse going on that we don't see. Plus we know about his abuses toward his coworkers and colleagues. By the time it gets to the point where it's leaking out into your work life, it's got to be terrible at home.
If you think this is a “normal” interaction within a marriage: no wonder you vote for toxic Republicans. That’s what you grew up with, it’s what you know. Sad. Very sad. This is not normal.
What do Republicans/Democrats have to do with this? For fvck sake, not everything boils down to politics. Assuming you voted for Biden, do you not consider him toxic for taking showers with his own daughter? How about Clinton fvcking everything that had breasts on his way up the political ladder and getting a blow job from a fat intern in the Oval Office? Because you voted for them, is that what you grew up with and all you know?
If you can't see the direct correlation between the fact a republican political media personality who is very clear about his deliberate misogynistic public ideology might also be toxic and misogynistic at home and in his personal relationships, and that his supporters might also share the same views, then perhaps you aren't intellectually equipped to handle this story
possibly but sorry to burst your bubble, I'm a lifelong conservative, far more conservative than the GOP is right now especially on the issue of abortion (which is just the strong picking on the weak and defenseless) But I don't equate abuse with being a conservative or liberal, in fact it should not be associated with any party. However the GOP seems to have now embraced it.
Crowder _literally_ believes that his wife is his property and has made statements alluding to the fact multiple times. He's also a political media personality and literally preaches this kind of behavior on a national program to millions of people on a daily basis.
He's quite literally telling his followers to behave according to this toxic and misogynistic ideology and you don't seem to be coherent enough to see the correlation between that and his personal relationship failings.
Seriously? What does politics have to do with it? Is that the only question you could think up? And immediately go into the whole “But, but, but...” to throw the ball out of the court when it’s on fire.
It’s called PROJECTION and it doesn’t work on people who are informed.
First of all the Biden “history” you are referring to is untrue. Bill Clinton was a womanizer, as MANY men in politics are.... should we mention the last guy that lost? The one who screwed a porn star while his wife was home with an infant. Yes: that one. The one walking into changing rooms with naked girls changing at pageant shows. Who grabs women by the pu$$y. That one you forgot to mention.
Republicans are ADDICTED to put downs, negativity, blaming, and screaming & yelling. It’s obvious from the TV & radio channels Republicans follow. Non-stop negativity and blame, never taking any responsibility for anything.
LMAO....ever hear of a guy named Hunter Biden....FYI the porn under oath said Trump never had sex with her.
Al Gore, abused Tipper and screwed around on her.
Demoncraps are all about projection, screaming and whining like little kids blaming everyone of what they do....how many Pedo dems have to be caught before the world realizes they are the party of perversion. Democratic mayor of a college town outside Washington, D.C., was arrested Thursday for possession and distribution of child pornography.
This is an article about Steven Crowder and his abuse.
Your response to this abuse is "but look at everyone else that I don't like" instead of condemning it.
It's pathetically transparent and doesn't convince anyone of anything other than the fact you are embarrassed by Crowder's abuse and are afraid to directly address it.
I'm a Republican and have no problem saying that Trump is a piece of shit human being and Crowder appears to be one as well. I bet you aren't willing to say the same about the Bidens or Bill Clinton.
I tend to assume the kinds of people who want to take away women's reproductive freedoms and believe wives should be subservient to their husbands are generally more likely to treat their wives like animals.
OK, I was all over your responses back there pj BUT, that’s just bullshit. Abortion protects the mother/host FOR ANY FUCKING REASON SHE WANTS IT TO BE. Period.
Like if a girl of 14 got pregnant (for many reasons out of her control OR EVEN BECAUSE SHE WAS STUPID and didn’t use protection - ahem, girls in states with horrendous educational standards don’t want to educate her over her health concerns.) . . . ABORTION lets her lead the life she wants, actually being forgiven, that “easy problem to fix” IN AN OVERPOPULATED WORLD WHERE ASSHOLES want to hurt us women and now politicians want to prosecute and hurt us some more, OVER WHAT WOMEN CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES and now over how much freedom “we will be allowed”.
They never ever do that to men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s the only superpower complicit conservative women pimp for the party. It’s disgusting. 🤢
Because with abortion, she is then free to create the life she wants, WITHOUT THAT BULLSHIT CONTROL over her.
It’s people who want to punish her for being careless, stupid, OR RAPED that are committing serious perpetrations against her, and condemning her to what you BELIEVE?!!!
Please come into the 21st Century with the rest of us, where the wealthy have abortion access ALL THE TIME! Your thinking on this is biblical lunacy and right wing mumbo jumbo. I CALL IT a CRIME AGAINST THE GIRL.
Murder?! You’re killing the future prospects and prosperity for that girl and all girls. Condemning her to a low income, dismal, boring, dingy life and THAT’s WHAT’s SICK ABOUT THIS part of the CONVERSATION.
Consider the ASSHOLE she’s with, like crowder, a lazy ass fucker who treats her like shit. You’re going to prevent her from getting an abortion? WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?!
Sure mr. crowder is a dirty rotten abusive bastard, and his wife was dumb and naive for sticking around “for the children” but that’s what CONSERVATIVES PREACH AND DO. They do it for “the children”, those poor unlucky children born into homes that don’t want them, with creepy, poor, uneducated, dumbass parents that treat them worse than pets.
EXCUSE ME?
It’s NOT GOD! It’s not MEANT TO BE.
It’s NOT SACRED! It’s a made up angle that sucks the life out of society and our beautiful girls who grow up to be sad ugly and unhappy! You see them everywhere!
It’s biological, and scientific but you PEOPLE made abortion a crime against YOUR OWN children succeeding in life! Using religious beliefs against your own children is peak corrupted religion!!!!!! And EXTREMELY PEAK CONSERTATISM and that’s where we are.
Betraying your children and people over an ancient religious dogma that ISN’T EVEN IN THE BIBLE is the sickest response and I see it all the time. 🤮
STOP TRYING TO CONTROL WOMEN! They will get their revenge. You will definitely see this happening and I WILL BE THERE HELPING THEM GET THE BOOT OFF THEIR NECKS!
Maybe those men wouldn’t want the females they love to go through the trauma. Many women suffer from terrible(destructive)guilt & persistent depression after their abortion, you know!!
Biden showers with his own daughter is news to me. I agree it shouldn't be political but we have a former president who has made verbal abuse normal and encouraging violence normal. So that the people who already thought it was normal are now less concerned about hiding it.
oh, and there are plenty of examples of trump lusting over his eldest girl.
in the interest of transparency no, I did not vote for either of the two useless parties.
Nothing wrong with getting a blowie in the Oval, socially enforced monogamy and sexual repression are cringe AF and families bathing together is pretty normal, it's actually weird that you would think that's anywhere near sexual.
No, Crowder seems like a piece of shit. The original post I replied to called somebody out for voting for "toxic Republicans", I pointed out how 2 of the most prominent Democrats are disgusting human beings yet she supports them, and here we are. A father showering naked with his daughter is galactically more disgusting than Crowders verbal/emotional abuse towards his wife, yet that person supports Biden without question because he is a Democrat. It's hypocrisy, I can't comprehend this for you.
Dude, ahem, moron, that’s been debunked hundreds of times. They stole the diary and made shit up and you get the booby prize. SUDDEN DEATH on your old standby conspiracy theory. It died here today but I’m sure you’re gonna ignore it and keep outing yourself as a fool and repeating it many more times cuz you’re just that stupid. YOUR STUPID, it BURNS!
P.S. the Hunter Biden laptop story is a loser too because there were so many handlers and so many things uploaded to that piece of hardware after Hunter had it, that it’s too corrupted, it can never be used in court. But do go on about the Bidens, and ignore all the stupid creepy staged hijinks old fat Donald has made. The shooter attempts were fake too. donnieboy doesn’t care who gets shot, just that it isn’t him.
Take it from somebody who just had their 42'd anniversary. This DOES NOT rise to the level of emotional abuse. You could put a camera on any married couple and over time you would see arguments that could make either the husband or the wife look like an a$$hole. There is no screaming there is not physical abuse, there is only disagreement. People are too quick to pull the Divorce string these days because they don't want to put in the effort to make the marriage work. During our 42 years of marriage and there have been dozens of disagreements any of of which you could make an argument that either one of us were a$$holes, but here we are still loving each other, and yes even after 42 years we still have the occasional disagreement but we are willing to stick with it and make it work.
Wow. Decades of marriage here and if my husband ever treated me with the contempt displayed in this video, I'd be long gone. Speaking this way to a spouse does not constitute "putting in the effort." It reflects a decision that being treated poorly is something one or both parties accept and expect.
Its abuse. Never ever ever treated a woman like that....ever. Never went to bed angry, never woke up angry. I guess it comes down to mutual respect and mutual love. Different strokes for different folks.
Going on 32 years here , & it was most definitely abuse in the video.
I am sorry that you seem to have these kinds of similar episodes that have desensitized you to understanding what real abuse is.
Watch the old gaslight movie. No screaming or hollering in that either. It's based on a phenomenon that many malefactors use in their intimate relationships to get what they want.
It's a typical interaction in a marriage gone bad, whether the partners are toxic Republicans, self-righteous Democrats, hardass conservatives, or hysterical liberals.
I think he was agreeing with you, that the behavior was "typical" when the marriage has gone bad, and it is irrelevant what political party the people are identifying with.
One person doesn't represent the entire conservative population of America you dumb arse. I don't know any conservative men who treat their wives this way. And .. we don't know the whole story. His wife may have been a shrew.
He literally has a talk show where he speaks for the conservative movement in America. He literally does speaking engagements at colleges for the conservative movement in America. He is - in the most literal sense - a poster boy for the conservative movement in America.
What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and her children. Most of them vote democrat. The lives of their children are merciless. Is that abuse?
Largely that is due to things like the unethical and immoral war on drugs and historical policies that prevented the accumulation of generational wealth. The issues you speak of don't track to race, but to poverty and broken homes (a result of policies that criminalize people for preferring substances other than alcohol, even though alcohol causes more harm to users and society than any other recreational drug, see: "Drug Harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis" published in The Lancet).
Replying “and there goes the racism as a deflection tactic” to 'J West' is disingenuous when considering the context of, and responses to, his initial comment. I’ll break it down for you:
1.) JW commented “one person doesn’t represent the entire conservative population.” This is an accurate statement. You cannot objectively judge any group of people based on the actions of an individual.
2.) 'Responding to a Stupid Fuck' clearly disagrees with JW and his beliefs on judgment when he replies with this:
“40% of cops, who are majorly republican leaning, abuse their families at home.”
In response to RSF, JW displays a clear logical-fallacy in RSF's reasoning when he makes replies back with:
“What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and their children? Most of them vote democrat.”
This is not a racist statement. JW made this statement to highlight the flaws in RSF argument. JW made this comment to highlight that if you are using statistics to judge one group by the actions of a few, you must then judge ALL groups by the actions of a few.
Humans are vastly different, and the beliefs of a political party will translate differently for everyone. I am a moderate-conservative and, yes, I believe Crowder to be abusive after reviewing the evidence, but I also cannot overlook the very obvious bias people have when picking and choosing which statistics to throw around in attempts to prove their points.
Anything is possible. I don't see her being that in this video though. I see a woman desperately trying to leave knowing that her husband is extremely controlling and likely to physically prevent her from leaving if she doesn't go about it just right.
it's also quite possible that Crowder himself is an insufferable Twat. In fact this video is proof. They both knew the camera was there but she's the one that tried to be reasonable. What does that say about Steven?
If you find your wife insufferable, the correct thing to do is arrange for a divorce. Even better would have been to live together first to test compatibility.
As someone who is in the top 1% of Neanderthal DNA (334 variants; per 23andme), I ask you to retract your racist comments. We high Neanderthal content humans are the survivors of a GENOCIDE, not a punchline!
The tests are fake. Sorry to tell you. There is a video or two of identical twins testing different and a man swabbing his poodle's asshole and it coming back as European. He was Latino. "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." Mark Twain
If you tell your wife "I will fuck you up", you deserve to be vilified for the scum you are.
And even then, you'll have sycophantic incels (this is the part where you come in Danno) crawling to the comments section to defend your abuse because they have no idea what a healthy relationship looks like.
Yes, the fact that you refuse to recognize it means that it's been so normalized in your mind that you don't even see the problem. Honestly, I legitimately just feel bad for you.
No this what passes for a rat ass coward who is talking tough to a pregnant female. A woman to whom he should cherish, after all she was good enough to "f" but not good enough to respect. Steve Crowder is a sissy, because what man, WWII, treats women like that? I'm old school. Back in the day he would have to answer for disrespecting the "honor" of that woman.
My people are from the south, old south. We don't play that.
also, they keep telling us that we only have the three minutes by which to judge. And considering both of them knew the camera was there, you would think that Crowder would've made his behavior a little more acceptable. but he did not. Or maybe he tried and this is what he thought was more acceptable than his usual.
Who's to say that all of the "missing context" doesn't make SC's behavior actually far far worse?
And when will they concede that enough context has been given? Never, I would expect.
Yikes. My husband has never spoken to me with even 1% of the hostility that Steven Crowder directs at his wife here. That’s not how a man treats a woman.
The DailyWire dodged a bullet.
Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
What's the context here?
Ladies, if a man you're interested in watches this video and asks "where's the abuse," run away. Run away fast.
I am a conservative and traditional tough guy husband, but even I agree. If you don't see abuse here, you are a problem.
I'm a woman and I see her as manipulative as him.
She's a victim of domestic abuse. How do you want her to behave? She tries to appease him by telling him she loves him and is committed to him. That's what scared victims do.
Yep, it's no different if a man was dealing with a wife threatening to harm themselves or something emotionally abusive such as that. You pretty much tell them what they want to hear in the moment until you can make yourself and others in a safe position. She's not manipulating, she's surviving.
You are SO full of shit on every level.
She tries to avoid the actual conversation and her actions by saying she loves him, irrelevant to the conversation and an attempt to gain high ground.
Correct because women are the victims 100% of the time and men are the abusers 100% of the time and women are perfect in every way and men are trash. Good luck being alone the rest of your life.
based on what hes saying it sounds like shes cheated on him, and what he said...not that bad for someone who is apparrently a violent bully....this is garbage
I do not think his behavior is acceptable at all, however, she was not afraid of him physically harming her and she's never claimed that. I didn't see any fear in regards to her physical safety that would require her to appease him.
Or she’s attempting to change the subject so she doesn’t have to do shit she doesn’t want to do. Like it or not, ADULTS have to sometimes do things they don’t want to or don’t feel like doing. She’s pregnant NOT an invalid.
Nah
I highly doubt he knew your package has been delivered was being recorded himself
It’s obvious from their body language who has the power in this dynamic. He is under no threat, not at all at risk, actively and repeatedly demeaning her. She is pacing, restless, afraid to leave, like she is caged and knows the patterns of her captor, knows what will happen if she tries to make an escape.
Attempting to manage the situation to get herself to a place of psychological and emotional safety isn’t manipulation. It’s self-defense.
Oh good grief, she wanted to go buy something, so naturally, she was up and walking around.
Geez, you people and your imaginations.
It's ridiculous that people commenting just assume that he is the abuser while she is innocent.
Why the fuck don't they have 2 cars? He is fucking rich.. The answer is CONTROL>
I'm a woman and I don't see her being manipulative, I see her being scared.
that makes you one of tucker carlson's favorite names for women
I'm a woman and i am horrified by the way this man is acting
If she wasn't 8 months pregnant, I would probably agree with you. We don't have enough information. However, I feel like in the final stages of pregnancy that maybe getting your wife pregnant and simping for your wife in the last month or two of pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world and kind of what you signed up for. Stress heavily negatively impacts fetuses in the womb. For the sake of my children, I'd probably put in some sacrifices for the sake of my children's development in the womb. Especially when it's over small things, like having to sacrifice gym time to get groceries or give the dog medicine.
Saying that "this only ends with discipline and respect", in its own way is showing an immense disrespect for her and her concerns. It's just completely dismissive of her point of view.
Even not seeing what caused the conflict, I feel like that clearly demonstrates some abusive behavior. However, maybe it was a one-off situation (albeit an extremely poorly timed one-off considering is wife is 8 months pregnant....).
yeah I'm wondering how he disciplines his wife. I can't imagine how he would have to get his children. Domineering to the extreme. Glad they are not subject to his constant "attentions."
The other thing that people forget when you are in an abusive relationship is that sometimes the victim is not going to act perfectly but that doesn't make them any less a victim. Clearly here she is trying to talk rationally and get a little time away from his craziness, maybe she has a therapist appointment to learn to deal with this, and she doesn't want to tell him, for all we know.
Ok terf
They were obviously in the middle of a argument that was not entirely captured by the film. There was no context at all. We have no idea how she behaves or what kind of passive aggressive stuff she pulls on him.
I’m as terfy as it gets, and everyone in my Twitter circle is condemning this clearly abusive behavior. TERFs support women over men, always - no matter how those men identify.
You must be so beaten down you don't see abuse anymore
The guys that defend this do it because they don't see it as abuse, it's probably very normal for them.
Then you have never been in an devaluing relationship and should be thanking God for that. She is not manipulating him, she is trying to diffuse his anger because she knows what will happen if she can’t. She is strong, and brave, and doesn’t put him down, she speaks truth, despite his cruel controlling and manipulative comments.
You have no knowledge of this other commenter. You are making assumptions of them JUST LIKE the assumptions you are making of the video. Neither are based in facts. Narcissistic people can very easily make their partner look “crazy” or “evil” I find much of this video to be deceptively edited…ie why insist what was said directly after the video ended was something egregious yet not show it? If you cannot show it, why say it as a definitive? If only one party states something occurred w/o evidence it’s complete speculation.
Ooh seriously wake up.
I am woke and I'm sick of the way women whine about everything being 'abuse.' I'm sick of seeing men blamed for bad behavior when their wives/girlfriends are just as good at giving it back.
Especially since they turn around and claim that they are as strong as men. It is so pathetic.
sounds like you don't understand how to de-escalate an argument.
you are gross.
She is being even more manipulative-the man is just pissed because it's the 1000th time she pulled this crap. She knows he needs to use the car for work but her sudden emergency nail appointment should take priority over his. Classic case of female abuse. And she is playing for the camera. To deflect the manipulation and falsely make the man the agressor, every abusive & manipuplating woman only needs to do is cry, make a pouty face when she doesn't get her way, and and say "I love you" when abusing him. Men remember AWALT, it's just a matter of degree.
$100 says this guy has a criminal record that includes domestic abuse.
He didn’t need the car for work. He said she could use the car is she walked the dogs and gave them medicine. He was punishing her for not wanting to do that while 8 months pregnant with twins. What man acts like that and then threatens his pregnant wife? He’s a faggot.
LOL he said he needed the car to go to the gym and see his friends! Just fully making shit up to cover for some dude who doesn't know you're alive! He's a millionaire, son! He could BUY a new car tomorrow if he wanted one. There is one reason why he has one car: so he can control his spouse.
One car....really!!! Guys worth millions.
You are a horrible human
oh I see you're the sort that tells a woman "I'm sorry but you made me hit you" uhhh
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Wow dude nail appointment? Do you always just make shit up to make your points
And YOU are JUST as bad, if not worse, than those making statements that she’s completely innocent and he is abusive.
What we see looks pretty horrible regardless of context and Crowder seems to agree. But the context can make a difference - this could in fact be the 1000 time she’s challenging him and he blows his lid in response to that history rather than to the current situation. In a way that is horrible and abusive and he should have apologized for and in fact may have done it.
She was most likely the wrong choice, as was Landau, who’s a sniveling cunt derailing the show when Crowder is about to make a point. Both sort-of “tricked” him into committing and Crowder seems unable to accept and cut his losses, which is tbh so ugh and painful… He wants some sort of revenge, and that’s through abuse, and that can and has been turned against him.
Gerald or his father seem competent and loyal and should be able to help him navigate emotionally difficult situations. He needs to let them.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
Yikes
I'm also conservative and a traditionalist, and I'm not afraid to call this what it is - wrong and abusive. If you can't admit that some conservatives are bad people and/or commit bad acts, you're in denial, and you probably aren't very confident about your own beliefs. I'm comfortable enough in my own beliefs to not think I have to endorse Crowder just because he shares the same political label as I do. He's seemed "off" to me for a long time, this only adds to it.
IF YOU ARE “CONSERVATIVE” and yet you haven’t watched parts of statements being used to screw people over then I have to believe you are being disingenuous. “Calling people out” should be done without making biased judgements, w/o using the assumption of how you would react in the situation as a basis for him positively being at fault. MOST people have just stated that there isn’t enough context or knowledge about their relationship to say either way.
There is zero abuse here. You're simply fucktarded.
Both psychological and verbal abuse. "I'm going to f$ck you up" is a violent threat. Your last word isn't part of the English language either.
Except NO ONE, including you, heard that statement so you are basing your argument on assumptions
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found the guy who beats his wife
if you don't get shot when you're busy shooting up your school because no girl wants to go to prom with you, you're going to die alone, you incel loser.
again another guy here who is advertising to the world that he would like to be able to abuse women like Crowder does.
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You are disturbed. And Reported.
No, you're just a pathetic c*nt who proves the point you can just say whatever you want and pretend your accusation is evidence.
Now get a clue, then GFY with it.
Thanks.
You cannot convince me you have never been in an argument that was worse than this.
i haven't because i'm not a domestic abuser, like you evidently are.
A) NO. B) YIKES. Way to tell on yourself.
well not when I was eight months pregnant, yes I have been terrible at times to my husband of 30+ years especially in my 20s and he has been exceedingly patient with me. And yes Crowder is absolutely abusive. Steven Crowder claims to be a Christian right? That means he is to lay down his life even as Christ laid his life down for the church. I don't see him laying any life down here he's just browbeating her like a good old Pharisee threatening to throw the first stone. (though he has clearly been stoning her figuratively for a long time, this is a very familiar unhealthy pattern to them, you can tell by the way it is being done).
I don't doubt the possibility that she used to give it back to him but when you realize that that just fuels him more she learned how to Gray rock. And as she learned healthier communication habits he has gotten worse which is a very typical when you try to resist bad relationship behavior the sick one who doesn't want to change gets even worse. (incidentally, I would bet she has been seeing a therapist for her own sanity in secret and Stephen is probably pissed off that he doesn't know where she is at every second of the day).
what would that prove even if someone was in a similar argument? Nothing. There are people who behave like Crowder and it doesn't make Crowder's behavior less abusive.
OK ABUSER! WOW! Even if I was an asshole, I am entirely too intelligent to ever utter those kinds of words to a woman.
No, unfortunately you refuse to see that it IS possible that a woman could be manipulative. This scenario COULD BE EITHER she COULD be being manipulative AND he COULD be being abusive. There is no way to know without more video or factual information.
Intelligent well measured men, even if under manipulation, NEVER say the things this creature said. Even if she is the most wicked witch on the planet, she is of no threat to him and he need not be so aggressive. I can't stand so called men who raise their voices and posture aggressively toward women- they always act differently when a man is present. And, since my wife has bore me many many children, I can tell you she would never be asked to deal with stuffing pills up my dog's anus when she is 8 months pregnant, or pregnant at all for that matter. A real man would not expect that.
I can't think of any medication that dogs take that way. However it's beside the point. She apparently had to hang up about handling the dogs medication because she was pregnant and didn't want it to affect the babies. Regardless of whether her fear was rational, Crowder was abusive towards her about it.
wow. No one here is saying that Hillary is perfect or that she ever hasn't dished out something similar (quite possibly she used to and then realized it was not healthy and found other ways to try and communicate, deescalate, and set boundaries). But we are commenting on is the video. In that video Crowder is being abusive.
It's really very simple.
You're not wrong.
Anyone that can look at this and hand wave it as hes not an abusive person, especially when he admitted to threatening to "fuck you up," is most likely very much the same.
If anyone sees this. Run from people like this. Immediately.
bingo my dear.
Gentlemen, if a lady you're interested in runs away after you make a remark like that, you got lucky.
All I have to say to you is that if you think Crowder's behavior here is okay, normal, and healthy, you will never, ever have a happy marriage and you will die alone and miserable.
Crowder appears to me a Narccisist on Steroids! This turd now scares me. His wife was 8 months pregnant....and we get this 3 year old tantrum behaviour. Shame....Shame...Shame on this Psychopath!
I think IF this 3 min clip is representative of how he usually is (which we don't know) then sounds v anti social and I think he has a personality I'd hate to date someone with....having an off putting controlling personality is not abuse.
he's literally ordering her around and screaming about discipline and making her do things that are dangerous to her health but there's no abuse? fuck you you disingenuous shit
cutting off someone's access to a car, getting angry when she says she'll be back when she'll be back, demanding that SHE feed HIS dogs medicine (that may or may not be toxic to PREGNANT WOMEN), a steady stream of berating her, saying she's a bad, selfish wife, etc. all of those things are abusive. hope this helps.
Ummm a controlling personality that leads to an attempt to umm "control" another person, a person you view as needing to submit to you, is the definition of being abusive. What would qualify as abuse to you?
Just bc its not physical abuse doesn't mean it isn't abusive. He was telling her she couldn't take the car & that if she didn't do what he wanted, it means she isn't doing her wifely duties. He's making his problem w her behavior & turning it around on her as if she's the one who needs to change instead of him. She brings up the fact what he's doing is abuse & he says "watch it. Fucking watch it" in a way i interpret as threatening bc he doesn't want to be called out for his bad behavior. I don't care what you call it- anti social or a controlling personality... Its abuse. Those are the ppl who have abusive violent tendencies. Personalities like anti-social or other personality disorders. I really hope you wouldn't excuse someone behaving this way as "not abuse".
Simping for a guy who tells his 8 month pregnant wife he is going to F her up is having an off putting personality, actually telling your 8th month pregnant wife you are going to F her up is a personality disorder. Know the difference.
This is 100% abusive, full stop. Take a long look inward if you don’t think it is.
Telling your very pregnant wife to take an Uber and to give medicine that is toxic to her and the unborn children, to his fucking dogs is most certainly a form of abuse. And he was very clearly projecting by saying that she was boxing him in and that she was preventing him from seeing people because she needed to go to the store for whatever bullshit he apparently wanted. And why exactly does someone with as much money as him only have one car? I’m guessing it’s so he can keep his wife stranded at home. That man is a piece of shit and so are you for defending him. You can both rot in hell.
It certainly IS abuse. Just because he has a problem doesn’t mean he can treat others that way.
He literally said "I will fuck you up" to his pregnant wife. Are you retarded?
Not only is he exhibiting CLINICAL signs of an abusive partner, he's also showing traits of narcissism. The people who cannot see this and support him, even after he said he's done abusive things are not normal. They are not mentally normal.
It's mean, but does not rise to the level of "abuse".
You know what impresses me the most about you people is that you're gaslighting on behalf of Steven Crowder. You're basically doing the "you're overreacting" tactic that is extremely common for abusers to use on their victims.
It’s not physical abuse, sure, but physical is not the only type of abuse, and this certainly looks verbally, and probably psychologically abusive.
No, but years of this type of treatment does. It starts subtle one little put down about how your hair doesn’t look right. Then the next time it’s three or four things wrong with you and it just keeps going for the rest of your relationship and if you think that you’re at fault, it never ends.
I'm sure your "tough guy" husband hasn't had 3 minutes he regretted in your marriage.
Give me a break. For starters, there is very little context. Second when operating at Steve's level, why is he so out of line to expect the same from his wife? As far as providing, it looks like he has held up his end of the bargain.
We don't even know their agreements or arrangements. To paint him as some diabolical figure based on this shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or are some 3rd wave feminist, which if true, all 3 are true by default
Congratulations on telling on yourself. No, normal people do not have these kinds of episodes, even when disagreeing with their partner. The fact you clearly do, and that you think it's normal, says that you are an abuser yourself, or have never been in a real relationship. Either way, you're out of your lane.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I do not have a "tough guy" husband, nor any husband, I'm actually a straight dude.
I can say this much from my own experience: my dad--probably the most masculine person I know, worked his ass off running a construction company, strong as a bull--never once spoke to my mom like this. They're happily married into their 70s.
Meanwhile Crowder's wife is divorcing him, and this video shows us everything we need to know to understand why.
Maybe you had fucked up parents who behaved like this and so you think it's normal and healthy. In which case, you should probably get therapy.
to make excuses for him in this situation shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or some third wave chauvinist incel influence.
there's very little context but you sure seem to know what it is.
Providing for and controlling are two very different things. He's pretty filthy Rich why does he only have one car and why can she not just go to the store? Do you micromanage your significant others life like that? Sad, if so, and sad if anybody lets you get away with it.
mankind would have been far better off if adam had asked for a bass boat and a case of beer.
God, yes. Adam and all the little boys who believe in this fairytale at the concrete level should definitely get in that boat and motor far, far away from the rest of us.
Big gay bass boat party your kind of thing? No judgement. You do you, boo.
Adam didn't ask for anything, God gave him what he needed and then both of them ruined it.
Sorry you had an abusive father and that you think this is normal.
I had a father with a temper but it never was like this because my mother did the 1-2 hours of daily chores while he was risking life and limb to feed us.
It must have felt great knowing that if she didn't get her chores done to his satisfaction he would lose his shit on her.
Make sure to treat anyone you're dating like they didn't get their chores done as many times as it takes for them to figure out you aren't a safe person and should not commingle their lives with yours. This isn't a healthy way to live and they deserve a heads-up.
You're literally admitting you had an abusive father and are blaming your mother for the abuse she received.
"the 1-2 hours of daily chores"
LOL tell me you've never lifted a finger around the house without telling me.
You are a product of your environment and it's sad. It's sad bc if you have children you're going to continue on this abusive thought process.
So, you took away the wrong lesson. Instead of learning to be a better person than that, you became an abuse apologist instead. You should be embarrassed to admit that.
so you force women to handle chemicals dangerous to their pregnancies to make you happy?
Danno, you're a fucking loser. Hope that clarifies things
Classic liberal.
Denigrated someone for something and attacks their character… then proceeds to do that very thing.
You’re argument is less than persuasive. You are displaying exactly what you are condemning.
Response on an online message board compared to a husband verbally abusing his pregnant wife…totally the same!
Such a great point you made. Pat yourself on the back, since nobody else is there to do it for you.
Lolol Jesus what a fucking nerd
So, only conservatives are allowed to be assholes? Did you actually think liberals would just roll over and show their bellies? This ain't the 60s man. They are out for your blood, and my moderate ass is here for it 🍿
Lmao what a Loser.
Yes, this entire thread is filled with insults, prayers for death or harm, swear words, all by the people accusing Crowder of being a bloodthirsty, horrid person.
Amazing.
No, actually she was the one who got lucky.
you misspelled "She"
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Expire at what? Being 'things' to men?
You've got your porn and your impotence without your porn:
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Stay happy in your crunchy bed sheets.
Women don't want you.
says the mentally lobotomized floppy slabs of used up roast beef hanging between your legs. you are valueless and no one will truly love you.
I'm reminded of the ob-gyn who was mystified by this "roast beef hanging between your legs" bullshit, because that's not women work. It just underlines the sad fact you've never seen a vagina, and don't understand that, just like men, women can have a lot of sex without their genitals wearing out.
I feel sorry for whatever person ends up getting stuck with you. Wow. What a piece of shit.
Damn, you got owned bro
You're gonna die alone.
plenty of us have been married for over 30 years and aren't making excuses for abusive men.
How can her labia be mentally lobotomized? Also having lots of sex doesn't change your genitals, unless you're having sex with a horse or something. Entire babies exit out of there and the vagina still manages to return to approximately its original size, if not its original size. I'm not even sure why you referred to labia to begin with; you stick your dick in the vagina.
Is this coming from a long-taint scrotum owner? For real?
Most men should avoid graveyard ass to begin with.
Get it?
Because you have a high kill score tattooed on the inside of your
Nah man, the video alone could be Steven having a really bad day. What matters is full context, which the article provided. Was he remorseful? Was there a pattern? The answer is, of course, yes. Some things that don't appear a abuseful on the surface add real context. Why did this multimillionaire with a hectic schedule only own one car, rather than his and her car? It was a control tactic.
Until the moment that I realized they only owned one car, I was willing to give that bastard the benefit of the doubt. But, he is financially abusing her.
See pfungus ...that's not an answer to the question and you won't scare me off with snark and you won't deflect peoples attention by trying to embarrass them into pretending they see what they don't see
I can't make you see what's already in plain sight. I don't know what your issues are but you probably need a therapist. Good luck out there chief
Don't run away. Defend your point of view.
Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip.
Tell me what he did that deserves to share a term with my 10 year old self being beaten everywhere but the face by one person and raped by another.
Abuse is a strong word. Abuser is a big accusation.
I think you Americans are just melodramatic and blow everything out of proportion so show me why I'm mistaken list the abuse I missed.
I have an open mind here I'm perfectly willing to believe he could be abusive but if I'm gonna call someone an abuser I need strong evidence/argument
"Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip."
I mean, I can just go write up a whole-ass transcript of the clip, and copy and paste it here. It's ALL abusive. I literally don't know how to describe it to you if you can't see it. It's like, if I were to point up at the sky on a clear day and say "that's the color blue" and you're like "I don't see any blue." I don't know what you want me to say. Seek therapy.
1. He is banning his wife from leaving and driving.
2. He was manipulating her into performing difficult chores like buying barbecue items, walking the dogs and giving them toxic medication, when she’s 8 months pregnant with twins at this point and not really able to do these things.
3. He tells her he doesn’t love her after she says she loves him and is trying really hard to save their marriage.
4. He threatens her with “watch it, fucking watch it” when she accuses him of abuse.
5. He follows her and keeps tormenting her when she’s just trying to leave the situation - not allowing someone to leave is a textbook example of relationship abuse.
All of these are signs of EMOTIONAL abuse and potentially financial abuse regarding the car situation (different to physical abuse, like in your care), it is a legally defined term.
Do you notice how he continually ties her "disobedience" to her valuation as a human and status in their marriage? "I don't love you because you don't wear gloves", "You aren't a worthy wife because you don't do what I want when I want", "You need to be disciplined to be with me". Paraphrasing, but all very clear statements within the video.
These are controlling and infantilizing tactics. Making someone feel that they must serve you and be obedient to acquire love and worth as a person puts them in a position where they are conditioned to please you without thought for their own needs, desires or opinions. Your love becomes conditional, and the condition to fulfill is complete obedience. Because you have put them in a position where theyy are dependent on you for love and stability in heir life, they become increasingly conditioned to respond "positively" to this tactic. They increasingly learn what makes you happy and what makes you angry, and mold themselves to more precisely bring out pleasure in you to avoid punishment and abandonment.
Which brings the next point : hostage taking. This is a phenomenon where someone causes someone to be in constant fear that they will lose their place with you for a minor infraction. Threats of loss of love, divorce, suicide, etc. can all be ways that you are taken hostage.
Imagine being terrified every week that you don't know if the most important person in your life will leave you the instant you make a small mistake. That you will have to upend your life at any moment. In some cases, you could lose the roof over your head. Or your children. All for...not wearing gloves.
These types of abuse put the victim in an extended state of mental and physical high alert and executive function exhaustion which the body is not designed for, causing the stress reaction to become impaired in a condition known as complex post-traumatic stress disorder. I myself was diagnosed at the age of 24 with the condition due to abuse from my mother.
Just because it’s not physically abusive doesn’t mean it’s not abuse. Emotional abuse exsists! The way he turned everything she said back around on her and made her the problem, controlled her etc. that’s crazy making! Years of that behavior creates CPTSD. It’s abuse, maybe not abuse you are familiar with or have experienced in your life but it is abuse.
No one is telling you that you didn’t experience abuse, how would we know? Can’t you suffer abuse while someone else is experiencing a lesser degree of abuse? Is anything less bad than what you have personally endured not considered abuse to you? It isn’t a dick measuring contest about who has had it worse, with your personal experiences being the threshold for what constitutes as abuse. Holy shit man.
I'm not writing this to be rude, but I'm writing this as a fellow human being - a concerned human. If you were raped and/or abused as a child (or any age) you desperately need therapy ---- not short term, but intensive therapy. I really hope you have received that, and I hope it is ongoing. The trauma that abuse, especially sexual abuse, causes at such a young age is so detrimental - I am begging you, please, please, please, lease get therapy. Please..... Please.. Like, I am literally begging you. Please. Please.
"Survivors of sexual assault can benefit from several types of psychotherapy including psychodynamic psychotherapy, TF-CBT, and EMDR. Processing abuse and trauma is a helpful and necessary step to recovery and is the main focus in these treatment modalities." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239557/)
Now, to talk about abuse. As everyone else has mentioned, there are different types of abuse - physical, sexual, mental, emotional.
Being controlling (especially very controlling) is one form of abuse - the only person you have real control over is yourself, and that should be enough. Everything else is an agreement, and broken agreements shouldn't cause such a reaction.
They only have one car, which I find astounding given their income. Nearly everyone middle class and above has one car per driving adult in the household, and when you get to upper class, it's very common for a 2 parent household to actually have 3 cars (one which they use as a collectable/hobby car/to flex etc) or more. The fact that they only have one car is very indicative that he is abusive and wants her to remain home all the time - what does she do while he's at work? My aunt is stay at home, traditional wife and didn't even have kids --- she has a car to run errands or go out, my uncle has his own car to go to work in, and they even have a third car that they inherited and keep as a spare for when their cars are in the shop. He certainly doesn't have as much money as Crowder. It is very common for abusive spouses to isolate their spouse as much as possible - not allowing them to work, have a car, or general independence is a big indicator of that. How can they leave if they don't have any of the means to do so? More so, the fact that she asked "who would you like me to call for a ride?" - WHAT ADULT has to ask their spouse who can give them a ride???? what?????? It's literally like she is at one point allowed privileges like a child, but also, like she is arguing with a controlling toddler - because, well, she is.
I too suffered with extreme anger, but after being medicated and getting therapy for many years, it's a lot better. It's still present at times, but I try my absolute best to never ever take it out on people/any living beings - sometimes I scream at my computer, sometimes I stomp my feet, sometimes I huff and call someone an asshole (if they're being an asshole), give them attitude, glutaral scream by myself/at the sky - but I never let it go beyond that. And I'm still working on it (and getting better).
Finally, here are some helpful links that outline various forms of non-physical abuse (they're written by experts, so far more credible than a comment section!):
https://maggiesresource.com/are-you-in-an-abusive-relationship-c110.php
https://www.regain.us/advice/domestic-violence/a-short-emotional-abuse-checklist-20-red-flags-in-your-relationship-what-you-can-do/
"3. You are asked to check in with your partner at all times to let them know where you are and who you are with, even when spending time with close relatives." - he did that by saying "back when you're back isn't good enough" and her feeling the need to ask who she can get a ride from, and him saying uber --- not even a friend. Him demanding he needs to know the exact time.
"4. Your partner blocks you during conversations or changes the subject to reflect it onto you and your behavior." - ..... the entire video.
"6. Your partner makes you feel as if your feelings are wrong or don't matter." him saying she must do wifely duties, that she's not a devoted or committed wife etc.
"7. Your partner makes you apologize for what you didn't do." - she said I'm sorry and idk what even for.
"10. Your partner has heightened mood swings. One moment they may seem distant, the next, they are unavailable, and then they are loving. You may feel you don't know what to expect or what version of them you get, so you try to change your behaviors to receive love and affection, often to no avail." - entire video. Her saying I love you, and him saying I don't love you.
"15. Your partner has unrealistic expectations or standards and criticizes or harms you if you don't meet them."
"16. They invalidate you, claim you're too sensitive or emotional, refuse to accept your perceptions or opinions, and suggest you are wrong. "
"18. They use emotional blackmail through manipulation, being in control, lying, or using compassion, fear, and other emotions to control the situation."
"19. They act entitled or superior while acting condescending, using sarcasm, treating you as inferior, and acting as if they are always right."
"20. They control you through isolation by taking away possessions, making fun of your loved ones, or using envy or jealousy to keep you from others."
By the state of Nevada: https://ag.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/agnvgov/Content/Hot_Topics/Victims/DVPC/EmotionalAbuseChecklist.pdf
"Are you expected to drop what you’re doing to meet
your partner’s needs?" "Do you have to account for all your time?" "Does your partner insist that everything is your fault?" "Do you have to ask permission to see or spend time with friends or family?" "Does your partner use violence or threats during an argument?" "Does your partner compare you negatively to others?" "Does your partner use “guilt trips” to manipulate you?"
Somehow, all of these things were present in a 3 minute clip - absolutely crazy.
https://www.marriage.com/advice/domestic-violence-and-abuse/emotional-abuse-checklist/
If I somehow need to give you more --- I really can't, but google is free and easy to use.
Again, I do hope you get help. A child being abused is so serious and you desperately deserve and need help (not due to your behavior, but because abuse is so serious).
"DeBATe mE PplllEEAAsse"
LMAO
He, she, it, They can’t… because it doesn’t exist.
Being controlling absolutely CAN be abuse. It’s generally acknowledged that controlling behavior is a common first step in the timeline of many abusive relationships. Physical abuse is usually not far behind. We do not see physical abuse in this clip, but we do see verbal abuse and gaslighting. When we consider statistics, such as homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, we realize that we are not effing around here. This video is very troublesome. Not only is he arguing with her over a task (administering dog medication) that seems to be an inappropriate ask in the first place (toxic to preggos) he then spins her lack of compliance as a personal failure on her part as a wife, establishes himself as a victim who has been “disrespected,” and tries to prevent her from leaving (can’t take the car). We see him becoming more agitated and angry as the clip goes on. She attempts to placate him, but ultimately he chases her into the house and says “I’m going to fuck you up.” Now, what part of this story sounds okay to you? To me his behavior screams DANGER. This is not a good guy. This is not a family man. This is another statistic waiting to happen.
Weaponizing your own pain to silence others is a really disgusting way to go about things, and you should probably get some help for that, rather than blaming anyone's nationality. Emotional abuse is not just an American concept.
I hope someone rips your asshole open by raping you and then we can say nah you didn't get abused.
i CaNt DeFiNe It BeCaUsE iT's In PlAiN sIgHt. gEt HeLp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Found the incel
rope
She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years? You don't think she understood his views on marriage and expectations of traditional marriage roles? Yet she still married him.
I think she knew what she was getting into. She knew his expectations for having a traditional wife, and what those expected wifely duties were. I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right, however, I suspect there are two sides to this larger story and she isn't as innocent in all of this as she seems.
Actually, no... you do not know what people are like before you marry them. They're Christians, and they wouldn't have lived together. I think they were both virgins, too. So, she had no prior relationships, hadn't lived with him, etc. She had no clue. Your statement is retarded. He literally refuses to let her have a car and holds the use of the car over her head, until she "performs wifely duties" to his satisifaction. That's not a traditional relationship... that's some BDSM shit, and Crowder is a disgusting sadist. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw that.
People who look at this and see anything other than very abusive behavior need therapy. I say that as a VERY far right wing happily married woman.
I am probably more conservative than Steven Crowder because I don't like Trump.... and I'm a Christian and I can certainly say that this is abusive behavior. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.
I’m not saying it isn’t abusive behavior, and if this is the norm in their relationship, then Crowder needs help.
But 3 minutes isn’t enough context. She could have been poking and prodding at him all week long and we would have no idea. Narcissists are deaths by a thousand cuts — their victims lash out as their sanity is being taken from them.
I believe Crowder is likely the abuser because he exhibits behavior similar to my ex-wife with NPD, but I’m still a reasonable person and understand 3 minutes is not enough context.
It does not look good for Crowder though.
yes, and he could've been poking and prodding her couldn't he? In my experience with abusive people they are the ones who do the poking and prodding and needling hoping to get you to snap, and then they yell at you just like Crowder is doing to his wife.
"She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years?"
I literally don't give a fuck. Some people stay in abusive relationships their entire lives. People are weird. Abuse is abuse.
"I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right"
Good then it's settled, I don't even know why you responded to me.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldn’t leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. I’ve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesn’t make Crowder look good, that’s for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (that’s clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
A number of people in here who are defending Crowder claim to have been the victims of abuse themselves. And to them I say: well that just makes perfect sense. It's not surprising at all to me this does not seem like abuse to you; abuse has been normalized for you, so Crowder's behavior seems less outlandish. But while it may not elevate to the worst things you've experienced, that does not mean it's not abuse.
My experience is the opposite: I've never suffered abuse. I have loving parents, my dad NEVER spoke to my mom like that, they're still happily married in their 70s.
Thanks to past trauma, you are incapable of identifying abuse when you see it, because abuse has been normalized in your life. This means you're more likely to be the victim of abuse in the future. You need therapy.
you can be abusive in reaction to abuse that is certainly possible. it's the system that abusers like to set up for themselves. But if you listen to this thinking back to what Crowder said about his marriage just a few days ago you'll realize that his stories do not match up. He did not look like he had lost his temper in response to something she had done, he was just sitting there in the chair being a smart ass, berating, browbeating, insulting, demanding she do something that she feared was harmful in her condition (whether or not that was true, demanding she do it does not erase her fear) so it sounds like he's the NPD in this scenario.
This is called blaming the victim. You're disgusting.
No, it's called being unbiased until more information is available.
He may or may not have. Abusive partners can often hide who they really are for years. Add to the fact that you can't always readily divorce someone in certain places, and it's entirely feasible that people pretend to be simeone they're not until they've trapped their partner, whether it be legally, socially, financially, etc..
Also, people can change.
None of this is really that hard to comprehend if you reflect a little harder and or do some "research" on abusive relationships.
you're right, she chose wrong
kys
Oh yeah im saying wow get out now
Right! Because unless a man prostrates himself and God forbid, not ever argue with his wife, he's bad. Apparently, she's unemployed and doesn't take care of him as a wife should.
While I realize your tiny little baby brain doesn't have room for anything in between a man "prostrating himself" and outright abusing his wife, I hope you can understand that a healthy relationship lies somewhere between those two extremes.
hey quick question bob, is telling your wife that you're gonna "fuck them up" just a simple argument?
Because in the state of Texas, it's considered Assault, and is a crime.
She's carrying his fucking kids, loser. That's not only a job, it is the most important job on this earth. What Steven Crowder does is kind of fucking useless in the grand scheme, and his progeny won't give a fuck, but they'll appreciate his wife bearing them. Being pregnant is extremely hard and it can maim or kill you. It is a very high risk thing and used to be the #1 cause of death in women of child bearing age. It is still deadly.
Also, his wife isn't permitted to own a car, and he gets to decide when and if she uses "the family car"? Is that right? Nobody's allowed to pick her up to run errands until she slathers dangerous chemicals all over their dog at 8mos pregnant?
This isn't about submitting as a man... this is about an 8mo pregnant woman not being stomped all over and treated like a goddamn slave. Get help. You're mentally unwell. Seriously. There is a screw loose.
did you miss the 8 months pregnant part, asshole. there is no two sides to that.
honor thy wife... is promised THEN they do wifely duties and obey. HONOR thy wife.
kys
Hahaha men are so purposely ignorant
I hate this!!! Someone needs to punch him in the face so hard that he doesn't wake up. 🤬
I’m curious why people are shocked that you will jump to conclusions from a 3 minute video even after watching you jump to “Run away, run away fast.” because someone points out there is no definitive abuse in that clip.
Threatening to fuck someone up is a crime in pretty much every civilized country. The fact that he did that over her trying to go buy GROCERIES show's how unhinged he is. Also, the "odd talk about gloves" is another example of his extreme unreasonableness. The medication was potentially harmful to his unborn children, and instead of being a protective husband and administering it himself to their dog - he was berating her for not taking the risk on herself. Along with screaming at her for not walking their active dog while she was 8 months pregnant - something he also should have taken on as getting up off a chair is already difficult enough at that stage and she was pregnant with TWINS. He's insane and was being an awful and threatening partner to his wife during her most vulnerable time. That's sick and intolerable.
Saying I'll fuck you up or other stupid mid argument comments is not a crime anywhere I know of.
I've said worse without meaning it literally.
I'm willing to believe he may be abusive. I'm just saying I won't accept it based on one 3 min clip with no context and the fact that I don't like his politics.
I like to force myself to be objective in these situations and not do what most people here are doing on either side: decide with their emotions not logic based on who's team they were on before.
Nothing you mentioned is abuse. It's being an asshole.
You are absolutely deranged if you think this is an okay way to talk to your partner, family, or friends. Get into therapy
The old internet trope of arguing with a position someone doesn't hold is still alive n well I see. Lol
Nice to know I didn't miss anything
I don't think it's ok.
I just don't think being mean to somone during an argument gets to share the same term as raping beating and mentally torturing or manipulating...I think if you conflate the two you make people take the term less seriously...which is what happened to "depression" the terms now lost all potency from overuse.
I think it's bad for victims of abuse to risk watering down these terms.
Hey, a lot of people in this thread are being dumb-assholes who aren't actually explaining what is wrong here. It is absolutely asshole behaviour to just call you an idiot when you clearly want a detailed explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about. So let me explain it for you; and as a preamble to that I'll tell you my credentials to make this explanation.
I am now in my early 20s and am in a good place up until quite recently, this was not the case... At the age of around 5-6 my mother found out that my father had been sexually abusing me and my siblings. we went through several years of court, horribly traumatic. During this time, my mother became part of a sort of cult. She became very devoted and made sure we were too. I believed until around 13, I then did not want to be a part of it. I got into numerous arguments with my mother, and eventually I made it clear I didn't believe in her beliefs. From there she became ever more controlling. As a boy growing up, around the age of 12 she made me bleach my facial hair because her "baby was growing up too fast." The fumes burned my eyes and I didn't want to do it. She didn't let me cut my hair and we were in an isolated location so I had nowhere to go. My mom was never overtly physically abusive, but she was one of the most manipulative people I have ever met in my life. I know exactly what verbal manipulation and abuse looks like. I was aware of her abusive tactics for at least 5 or more years before I was able to escape.
The behaviour Crowder displays here is extremely similar to what I experienced. Making love conditional, or trying to control how it is expressed. Isolating the victim so they are trapped. (Be serious, Crowder owns a multi-million dollar house, and makes millions per year but he only has 1 fucking car?) He expects his wife to do all these duties but also somehow not with the car? She is at the peak of her pregnancy, many people cannot even move, or get extremely tired in that state. But he expects her to walk the dogs, do all these chores, possibly expose their unborn children to harmful chemicals in the dog medication, while he sits there smoking a fucking cigar.
He is not being mean to her, he is being extremely threatening. He is the 'breadwinner' which is how he wants it to be in their relationship because he's a classic conservative. The problem is he expects, since he has all the money, he can simply order his wife around to do absolutely everything for him. Being mean or even an asshole would be making her do the dishes after she cooked him dinner in her state of pregnancy. At that point she really shouldn't be expected to do anything, her job is to keep her body in a state that is healthiest for the children. If that is what her job is, then by his own ideology, he should be protecting his wife and kids right? She could literally die if there were complications due to the pregnancy, she is clearly distressed here. Stress is one of the #1 things that can cause complications, he is being a massive piece of shit and possibly endangering his wife and unborn children's lives. He is causing her physical pain through stress caused by verbal abuse. It is much easier to be in pain from emotional turmoil when you're pregnant. He is literally harming her, not just being 'mean'. Even if this was a completely isolated incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still abusive behaviour. Abuse does not necessarily need to be chronic, if I was a parent and I hit my child with a wrench, would that not be considered abuse? Would it not be indicative of other possible abuse? Some people may see it as discipline, but causing physical or mental harm to vurlnerable people is certainly abusive.
Obviously she is her own person and she can also do things for herself, but she should be ensuring that their unborn twins are kept safe at such a critical time. She is trying to do that, but being degraded by him, which is causing her stress, which is harmful to her health and her children's health. This is absolutely abusive behavior, it is manipulative behaviour. This is not being just 'mean' to someone.
This is not an example of conflating terms, sure, people may over exaggerate, but each case should always be taken seriously when someone claims abuse. In this case, there is literal video evidence of abusive behaviour. No matter which way you look at it, this is absolutely unnacceptable behaviour for a husband to exhibit to his wife. Especially when she is that pregnant.
I'm not calling you an idiot, or anything like that, I am telling you that you need to reevaluate how you define or percieve a situation like this. A 'short' video like this can absolutely display abusive behaviour, then it is up to whatever investigative forces to see if said abuse is chronic. In these kinds of cases it usually is, and based on other things in the article, I am inclined to believe it so. I will rescind that statement if further evidence says otherwise. I will however, not rescind my statement about this video showing abuse, it absolutely does.
You know absolutely know about psychology and the various branches of it and it shows. You also think you're somehow better than everyone and no one should call out your stupidity.
No one said it is ok.
He was a jerk.
It’s not abuse.
It is literally in the definition of abuse:
a·buse
verb
/əˈbyo͞oz/
to treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
Says BOWSER, a character that legit had no friends. Stay on the internet, friend
Did you just try and own someone in the comments by flexing with your knowledge of Super Mario Bros characters? That is hilarious
Him being an asshole isn't what ppl are calling abuse. Its the tactics he was using to try & get her to do what he wanted that is abusive. I think you should prob look into what gaslighting looks like, what psychological abuse in a romantic relationship looks like. You're hesitant bc it was just a 3 min clip w no context but here's the thing... You don't need a ton of context to know that how he was treating her, the twisting of what she would say, turning things back to him, making her out to be the selfish one who doesn't care about him, not being "worthy", all of that is textbook emotional abuse within a romantic relationship. Steven clearly wants to control ppl around him & his wife was no exception. He is very calm in that clip, he's not shouting or shrieking, which is often more terrifying. You can tell she was trying to keep the peace & set her own boundary but he refused to see it & made it about himself & gasli the hell outta her.
It's abuse dude.. No question.
I can promise anyone that if I told you in a parking lot that I would fuck you up, you would quickly call the Police right after pissing your pants. The internet tough guy smart ass thing only works in fantasy land. Act like that towards an actual man.
I don't call the cops because someone I already know has never hit me and isn't violent says something in anger.
Normal people don't behave like that here...maybe it's an American thing your country does seem to be one giant mental illness factory
You just love drama. Everything has to be blown out of all proportion. Mass hysteria is More a national pastime than baseball.
Maybe you're just a fucking pussy
Dude you were one of the first people on here to comment and defend his behavior, so now tell me who wants to blow things out of proportion and be dramatic?
"Internet tough guys would piss their pants if I threatened them in person" typed the guy acting tough on the internet.
Who is apparently very bothered by verbal abuse lol.
Pot, meet kettle.
This exact thing happened to me and nothing was done. Police laughed at me and never came.
This is not a crime.
"Police laughed at me"
Well of course they did child
"and never came"
Then they shared the fate of any of the women you roofied into sex
Just kidding! You've never had sex
Neither of those things would happen, because I live in a constitutional carry state.
If you told me that, I’d politely ask you to keep your distance, but if you followed through on your threat, well…
That would be sad for all involved.
Perhaps it works the way you stated in your liberal utopia, but fortunately we all have the choice to not live in your, fantasy land, as you put it.
Oh look. Another scaredy-cat terrified of leaving his house without his security blanket. Trigger-happy people like you are a danger to society and need to stay home.
Imagine not knowing the laws of the country you live in. In no state can you pull a weapon on someone that doesn’t have one themselves.
FUCK OFF
Threatening "I'll fuck you up" IS threatening physical violence. PERIOD. That the threat is aimed at a heavily pregnant woman makes it more egregious.
Good luck in life.
You’ll need it.
Clearly, you are a woman. No duh
Kill yourself
Hey now, there are plenty of decent men out there.
It's a criminal threat, actually.
Call the cops next time someone says they'll fuck you up but takes no actual action against you.
See how annoyed they get at you wasting police time
Have all of the USA become such wusses or is it just the youth??
Fuck off Ryan.
It's interesting how your argument has evolved from "it's not abuse" to "everyone is a bunch of pussies because they see abuse as abuse"
Just admit you're a crowder fan and you're big sad that he's an abusive asshole. You'll come to terms with it quicker.
Hey get this, I live in fucking Texas and I have called the cops on an abusive and mentally ill family member after they went on a rampage destroying the house and literally while on the phone with the operator they were actively threatening to fuck me up if I didn't put the phone down. Guess what happened? Somebody got slapped with a class a misdemeanor and spent some time in jail. Wanna know where he is now? Oceans behavioral hospital.
Bro we get it , you’re his bisexual lover
Ahh, found the closeted homosexual hater who routinely uses derogatory comments against gays to make his points about how much better he is than “less moral” people
More of shitting on the guy for loving Crowder so much. Crowder said it himself he’s bi. Sorry your brain is itty bitty
As a bisexual, just come out, dude.
It’s very much so abuse, and he was threatening her. Threatening people here in AMERICA can land you in all kinds of hot water, especially if they are your spouse. All of that falls under the umbrella of domestic abuse. If you’re going to come on here and cosplay as an American then maybe you should know what the fuck you’re talking about. I’m sorry you were very clearly terribly abused as a child, but YOU do not get to decide what abuse is or whether or not what he did is harmful, that’s not how this works. I guarantee most mental health professionals, social workers, cops are lawyers would most certainly see his behavior as domestic abuse. He doesn’t have to put hands on her to be an abusive piece of shit, he’s already accomplishing that by making unreasonable demands and telling her she’s not allowed to use the car. This is America, it’s a free country and being his wife she had just as many rights to that car as he did. It was a classic isolation technique he was using.
Men like you are the reason women end up staying in abusive marriages. You need to do better.
What is with all "there's no context" drivel here? There's plenty of context in this video. And it's basically impossible to remain objective when presented with video evidence of someone angrily insulting their pregnant wife (while smoking a cigar next to.....yeah, his -pregnant wife-) while also breaking her down and attempting to strip away her agency.
And yes. verbally threatening your spouse with physical violence ("I'll fuck you up") is illegal.
Go tell a cop "I'll fuck you up" and see if they arrest you for threatening them.
What if "I'll fuck you up" meant just that? A good fuckin' rather than a brutal beating
Are you serious?!? Holy shit
Actually it is. It is illegal to threaten serious bodily harm to another, even if she’s your wife who is about to go get you groceries without your permission, while seven months pregnant with your children.
You're wrong. Read Chapter 22, Title Five of the Texas Penal Code.
Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
It’s called Verbal ABUSE and leads to all sorts of mental /emotional problems by those who receive it. His demeaning way of speaking to her, throwing accusations & not really allowing her to respond without interrupting her in an escalatory way causes her to just try to placate him until she gets into a safe place…She try’s to keep her responses short & non escalatory.
Saying I'll fuck you up is assault. Fucking you up would be battery.
Thanks for putting your words to my thoughts. I am Livid with this 'less than a' man and will expose his egregerious behaviour to all friends and family!
Where is the video of him saying he'd fuck her up? I missed it.
So you didnt read the article?
He admitted to what he said. Read the article dude.
The author of the article claims to have heard audio of Steven Crowder admitting he told his wife he'd fuck her up.
Sorry, but it's gonna take better evidence than that to convince me.
Seems like a rather important part of the story. If the video/audio actually existed - I'd expect it to be included in the article rather than simply being alluded to in the article - and annotated in the video.
It's fascinating how you won't believe a video, won't believe the article, but will believe anything that exculpates your abusive idol.
Consider that Steven would be able to sue Yashar for defamation if Yashar were manufacturing this information, and consider that he has not and will not.
Consider that you are doing mental gymnastics trying to justify abuse.
Consider what your mom would think of that.
If the "I'll fuck You up" part happened after he followed her into the house then it stands to reason it wouldn't have been caught on the outdoor patio ring camera. If there isn't video footage of him saying it, but there's some kind of evidence (given to the author of the article by her family as I understand it) of him admitting to & acknowledging that he said it, then how do you expect there to be footage of it? We don't always get to have all the evidence in situations. That's why in court as a juror for instance you're told to use your experience, your common sense, critical thinking, & logic to look at the evidence you do have & come to a decision. No one is suggesting solely from this 3 min clip that Steven is all evil & HC is "innocent" of any wrong doing. We're looking at a several minutes long clip (longer than viral clips of Karens being accused of racism that are taken at face value) & we're saying "this encounter, how he spoke to her & how he demeaned & belittled & gaslit her are indicative of emotional abuse. In that moment no matter what HC said beforehand Steven was being abusive. And those aren't tactics someone just starts using randomly. Ppl who use the tactics Steven used are skilled at using them...as he was. He was calm. She was showing signs of panic. That tells me she has seen this behavior before & was trying to appease him. It tells me he doesn't like to be challenged & will manipulate those around him to get what he wants. So whether or not they're both abusive isn't really the issue in this clip. Maybe she's just as bad. But it doesn't excuse what he did or said.
Get out now!!!! But prepare an escape plan with some close friends and family…. Try to set up your own bank account for survival needs. This creep will probably get vicious and vengeful so get an attorney for legal advice and defense. Stay off social media or block him , get friends to do the same. This guys fucked up
Most countries, if not all have laws against this. Tell me what do you mean by saying civilized countries?
What do you mean by saying civilized countries?
Yea, the cops don’t arrest people for that.
It’s not really a crime.
I know this from 1st hand experience with cops. They specifically stated that a one time threat like that is not something that you can do anything about.
Directly from a lieutenant’s mouth.
They absolutely do arrest people for that, particularly in Texas.
I have personally pressed charges against someone who verbally threatened me in Texas.
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01:
Assault
A person commits an offense if the person:
intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person’s spouse; or
And what happened to that person?
See Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2) and 22.01(b)(7)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
?? it's all over.
Abuse isn't just physical. Mental and emotional abuse is when you use words, emotions and threats of violence to coerce, control, and manipulate your partner to get what you want. It starts with abuse in the first thing he says. "I drew a boundary." Boundaries are explicitly about what the boundary setter will and will not do - it is not about what other ppl do. When it's a healthy expression about other ppls actions it is often called an "expectation", which ppl are not obligated to fulfill. Here instead his "boundary" is that she is not to use the car. I wouldn;t even say it's a healthy expression of an expectation. Realistically, it seems to be a "command" which he is enforcing. All of this is to say, he cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. This also makes us wonder about the material conditions of this household and who has access to what. Consider: Why is there only one car? Abusers control your access to the outside world. The fact that they only have one car in the first place, (apparently?) is suspicious. It seems like a way to control. And it clearly is about control!
Because, why can't she take the car right now? there are no signs that he is going anywhere. In fact, he offers to go do the exact same thing she is trying to go do. he tells her to take an uber. so, why can't he take an uber if it's that easy? Probably because he knows she wouldn't feel safe - and she clearly does not like the option. Which is reasonable!! if somebody is going to take the uber it should be whoever is stuck at home without the car, obviously, who needs to get somewhere desperately. In practice, he is just keeping her stuck there with him - or at least making the ways to leave very difficult or unpleasant.
The tone when he says "watch it. fucking watch it." is said like a threat. It is an obvious threat of violence and control and made worse by the fact he apparently has a volcanic temper with a much larger, stronger body. that's scary! (and it's the point, i think) What's more, the thing he chose to give a threat about: if a partner tells you they think you're being emotionally abusive, you dig into why - you don't threaten them into silence.
The context for the gloves is in the article. He wanted her to give medicine to the dogs even though she was uncomfy with it. She thought it might be dangerous to pregnant women. Instead of accepting this, because there's no reason the pregnant woman should be doing this, he chooses to be manipulative and controlling. he says essentially "if you don't do as i asked, giving the dogs medicine, then you are a bad and uncommitted wife" even though neither of those things are true, obviously. she is scared of the medicine, and she doesn't HAVE to be the one to give it to the dogs. there are lots of reasons she wouldn't want to give the dogs medicine that don't reflect on her ability as a wife. he is using her desire to be a good wife against her to control her behavior.
after she tries to leave and deescalate the situation he follows her, berating her and talking down to her about her quality as a wife. And over what? she wants to use the singular car and she is uncomfortable giving medicine to the dogs. He may not like those things, but the way he expresses this and the actions he takes to make it better are abusive and manipulative. He cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. He makes out "disobedience" of what he wants her to do into a moral failing and starts chasing her to keeping hammering home how awful she is even though she's trying to deescalate.
That's just what we can see in the video. The article states they have sources saying he is explosively angry, has threatened her overtly (rather than implictly as we see in the video), and released a public statement about how, if it was his choice alone, there would be no divorce. He even goes after no fault divorce. Forcing someone to stay in a marriage with you is abuse. Fantasizing about it is fantasizing about abuse. it's sick.
inb4 u say something like "i've basically done all these things or similar. Am i an abuser" The answer is yes.
That's basically what I came here to say and you hit on the key issues. They seem well to do so the fact that they only have one car is highly suspicious. If she were a habitual reckless driver or something, that probably would have come up in their discussion about her taking the car. So it really does seem like an abusive situation, with him trying to micromanage her life and reacting with extreme anger when things don't go the way he thinks they should.
The fact that he expected her to handle potentially dangerous medication while pregnant is a huge red flag too. What kind of man doesn't try to protect his wife and children, and instead puts them at risk for his own convenience?
Somebody mentioned he may have had surgery recently that would make it dangerous for him also. Of course he could try the glove approach himself since he seems so certain it'd be protective enough. Regardless, denigrating her because of her discomfort with doing it is unnecessary. There are even potential options like a friend of family member helping them out. It doesn't have to be her - he only insists on it bc he doesn't like she told him no.
THANK YOU🩶
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It's a very coherent and well-written post, Ray. You can just admit to everyone else you don't have a real rebuttal and that you support Crowder being abusive.
He never learned to read ) :
No abuse????????
You must hate men and/or a scorned woman from a past relationship if you thought that was abuse. Come on!!
dang the domestic abusers are easy to spot in this thread
You mean the low IQ and gullible like you.
Mad Max is either an incel or an *incredibly* divorced dad whose kids hate seeing him on weekends
A Steven Crowder fan calling someone else gullible without a single shred of irony is quite the amusement to behold.
Good one Max! ho ho oh boy you got me good there!
Mad Max is a Psyop Actor...thats all! Maga's do not treat their wives like that.......EVER!
They generally are the same.
Sorry your father treated you and your mother like shit and you think this is normal. What was he? A drunk? Or maybe he diddled you. Hope you get the therapy you obviously need.
See a pattern here guys? Lol
There's like five of them SO ANGRY we don't consider mean words to share a category with rape and assault...coz mean words are awful....then they hurl abuse and mean words at people!!! lol
They can't even talk like adults. They have the maturity of 9 year olds.
Your hypocrisy and having no argument but the very verbal abuse you say is unacceptable says it all about how seriously you should be taken
Bro you know studies show that the psychological damage taken from verbal abuse is the same as in sexual and physical abuse? Just because it doesn't leave a physical scar doesn't mean damage wasn't done.
Unless you think abuse can only be abuse if someone is physically assaulted
I take a literalist and legalistic view on what you call abuse in a marriage. Crowder is 100 percent guilty of being a controlling and manipulative abuser. And not only that, but he showed no remorse even going as far as lying about the divorce, blaming it all on his ex, on his show.
Yes we hate men like you lol.
That was abuse. Its the same shit my dad used to do, minus the physical assults and holding us hostage.
Guess what?
Neither of his children, nor his ex wife obviously, nor his immediate family wants anything to do with him. He has gotten banned from his own grandmothers home after years of her making excuses for his poor temper like the above.
You would have to be extremely emotionally weak and fragile if that exchange between the disingenuous wife and Crowder speaking up about their marriage issues counts as abusive.
Why did Crowder only have one car?
The fact that you think it's normal and acceptable to scream that you're going to fuck up your pregnant wife after preventing her from leaving the house really shows how unfit you are for civilization.
You just verbally abused Mad Max, and admitted that you are planning to kill him.
There was no verbal abuse.
Mental & psychological abuse are abuse. Also you may not view telling your spouse they "aren't worthy" as verbal abuse but i think most people would. It was textbook abuse what he did to her in that clip.
This is also a form of abuse: Gaslighting. (i.e., pretend nothing happened.)
So, you clearly aren’t unbiased.
Lmao.
Pussy ass little bitch was your reply to you must hate men... seriously... You are the worst victim on here. A woman calling any man a pussy ass bitch over that comment is abusive. Your abuse. Just like the hundreds of other times you take any opportunity you can to lash out. Fuck the American woman. A monument to hypocrisy and entitlement. You go fuck yourself. Pray the social contract holds. Otherwise you WILL abide by nature. You're like meerkat telling lions to sit down. To men who do not hurt you physically but tell you No, you owe all of them an apology and respect because they work and give there lives for women every day. . Ugh sickening you are. Making it worse and lying about it
You know what’s sickening? Men like you who think women are less than them. Men like you who think it’s a woman’s job to take care of them and see to all their wants and needs. It’s sickening that a grown ass man can watch that clip and find nothing wrong with it. It’s sickening that a grown ass man would think it’s acceptable to talk to anyone the way that piece of shit talked to his wife. It’s sickening that there’s backward ass thinking men like you still out being a menace to society. I don’t know what your “you will abide by nature” comment means, but you can shove that right up your misogynistic ass. The fucking 1800s called, they want their outdated way of thinking back. And by the way, you wouldn’t like it in my world, because where I work, I’m the boss and the men have to listen to me. Oh to be a female in power these days. Better pray you never meet one like me.
jason, you sound deeply disturbed. please find help.
Why are you pasting the same propaganda all over the place? Both genders are capable of and perpetrate evil. Abortion is murder.
Even if you are honest, you are out here monetizing your mother's murder.
Sick fuck.
Lol she probably deserved it.
And there it is. "She deserved it".
Quickest way to spot an abuser.
I don't see any. I see an angry woman acting like an angry woman. This is why, as a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Dude, you don't think the WAY he was speaking to her was abusive? Forget what he was talking about "dogs & cars & gloves" the fact is he was belittling her, gaslighting her, turning things around on her?
The article references audio & documentary evidence of Steven admitting to having a temper, difficulty controlling his rage, & being in therapy & you think there is no context for the allegation of abuse? This is classic emotional & psychological abuse my man.
How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!
It's 2023, and it's been made clear by the "experts" that XX chromosome people are better and more important than XY chromosome people!
It's perfectly possible to have an argument with one's spouse that isn't abusive. This wasn't just an argument - it was abuse. And you know it is, because you definitely wouldn't let someone else speak to your wife that way.
Nice straw-man argument, there...
Where did I claim it impossible to have a non-abusive argument?
You implied this by responding to criticism of Steven belittling and gaslighting his wife with a comment mocking the belief that a man wasn't allowed to argue with his wife, which suggests that you think being abusive and being argumentative are equivalent. If you had believed otherwise, then you would have directly refuted their criticism of Steven being abusive instead of deliberately misinterpreting their comment as criticism of Steven for arguing with his wife.
The only one making a strawman argument here is you.
If that was not the implication in your post, what was the message you were trying to convey when you posted "How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!"
Thanks for at least trying to be civil (you're the only one).
The way he talked to her was petulant and disgraceful.
I don't think it should be called 'abuse' because I think we should have learned a lesson from our well meaning attempts to spread mental health awareness last ten years...that when you over use these terms for lesser levels of problems you water the terms down and the public treats then less seriously then not seriously at all.
Real psychological abuse is too subtle to show up on a small video clip it's not something you can represent easily that's why it's so maddening (I speak from experience of all the kinds of abuse).
I thnk the USA goes too far tossing alarmist term around, then it spreads to us in Europe and then the term loses its shock and potency.
Maybe this is too conplex an argument for hysterical liberals who make all their opinions based on emotion but I've seen it before.
"I have depression" used to be a v serious thing to say. People would put their coffee down and put their arm around you...worried.
Now it's completely lost all its power because people toss the word around so much and it's not taken seriously.
Look at "genocide" in politics..in the 90s it was used to refer to trying to exterminate a group of people..now activists use it to refer to people disagreeing with a policy on trans people.
Watering the term down hurts victims in the long run because it normalised it and makes it seem common
Anyway I gotta go it's nearly midnight here and I have a job to get up to in 6 hours where unlike some of these other keyboard warriors I actually help real 'domestic' violence victims in the real world. It's harder than clicking a like and saying stuff, amazingly.
Thank you for trying to engage honestly.
Plenty of people have engaged you civilly, which is difficult to do when one of the parties of the argument is handwaving away obvious abuse. Each of your posts is pretty obviously an attempt at gaslighting people into not seeing the obvious verbal abuse on the video and ignoring the actual threats made by Crowder that he himself has admitted to making.
Anyways, gaslighting is a technique repeatedly used by abusers, so this frankly tracks with all the replies to your comments that have correctly identified you as using the language and tactics of an abuser. Coincidentally, this also aligns with you repeatedly defending the abuser and not the victim.
So maybe just take a seat and stop trying to pretend that you're the victim in this thread.
Ryan, you are either trolling, disingenuous, or a psychopath. For the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in a relationship with you, I hope it's the former.
That's maybe the 20th message from your side of the argument here and none of you engaged the substance of my argument one but you just resort to and honinum attacks and the very verbal abuse you say is not ok.
If it's not ok for Crowder to lose his cool with his wife in spur of the moment and say mean stuff why is it ok for you to do it to a stranger who was the victim of the very kind of abuse you claim to have such concern about?
Is it because this has nothing to do with your empathy for abuse victims and more that it's just a fun way to dance on the PR grave of someone from the 'other team' (Crowder).?
I think that's all it is. Someone who was consistent in their principles and had genuine empathy for victims of abuse would not read this from somone who said "hey former victim of physical abuse here..I don't get why this verbal stuff should share a category with what I went through...can you explain that argument to me?" ...then respond with abuse and name calling and 'cute' statements about them personally.
The reason why no one is explaining and is insulting you instead because you're sealioning.
Sealioning annoys people and lets them know you're not worth the time of an actual conversation. But you are worth a little bile.
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Another internet diagnosis.
The only pathology here is yours.
yeah because a women who's prego with a stomach bigger than 2 watermelons.... should have to walk their dogs and bend down and pick up dog shit. When the perfectly able body husband who is chilling at home can't be bothered. Make it make sense.
He is controlling barking orders telling her she needs to be disciplined and respectful and become "worthy of a wife" like she is a child, and not his partner. In the video it stated inside he said "I will fuck you up" If thats not abuse you're smoking something or trying to manipulate whats obvious.
You obviously have your own definition of abuse, which I'm guessing is blank.
I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse.
I know psychological abuse can be subtle so outsiders can't see it, and this gaslights the victim sometimes driving them crazy. It's just that:
1. I'm not seeing either type here
2. You can't judge based on one 3 min clip with no context released on purpose by one of the disputing parties...how can anyone think that's either representative or likely to provide an accurate picture??
What context do you need to determine whether what he was doing would qualify as abuse? Like what determines that in your mind? How is it not psychological abuse to tell your spouse they aren't worthy? I just don't understand how you could watch that & not think "damn that's messed up Steven"... Allowing his rage at what he views as disrespect by her, disrespect he believes he's due as her husband, to control him is what i saw. He expects a certain level of respect & submission by her & when he thinks he isn't getting he lashes out & tries to control what she does by ridiculing & belittling her. She said she loves him and he throws it back & says "if u loved me you would submit". He talks about her needing to think about "discipline". What do you think that is about if not an attempt to change her behavior for his own benefit? Its very narcissistic abuse like behavior in my opinion.
The people asking for more context in this thread are generally not arguing in good faith and are simply using it as a means to deflect away any valid criticism of Crowder.
"I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse."
This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that you've experienced such abuse means it's normalized to you. So when you see Crowder's behavior like this, it seems relatively benign to you. But this IS abuse, even if it does not elevate to some of the worst things you've experienced. It's not normal, it's not okay. There's a reason she's divorcing him.
Coming from the opposite angle: my dad--probably the most masculine person I've ever known, hard-working, ran a construction business, built dozens of homes--NEVER spoke to my mom like that. They're still happily married in their 70s.
What you need is therapy. If you cannot see abuse for what it is, you are likely to continue to be the victim of it.
The fact that you've experienced abuse, but cannot see this for that is clear evidence that you're in no position to make that judgment. You haven't received the therapy or insight you need to stop perpetuating abusive environments. When you are abused, you are attracting it and tolerating it. A lot of that has to do with an inability to see it for what it so clearly is. I have been through life threatening abuse, and I sought a LOT of therapy to help me parse through it. I really think you should do the same. Maybe you coming to this thread, and getting all of the negative feedback you're getting is a sign from God that this is something you need to heal and start seeing more clearly.
I think we can stop responding to Chandra now guys. Not only is she repeating herself to the point of spam with irrelevant info about her own personal history but she can't have an adult discussion without resorting to sounding like some crack ho on a corner in jersey.
Agreed. I tried, but, she's unhinged, angry, and adds no value to the conversation.
> Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
Yes. The article mentioned several employees who used work for Crowder describing him as fostering "cult-like" behavior in his workplace while also being extremely intolerant of dissent.
His YouTube channel is also a great place to look. For a guy who uploaded a clip of him essentially parodying the murder of George Floyd, it is really not unreasonable to deduce that the asshole he presents himself as on his channel translates to the way he presents himself in his marriage.
> What's the context here?
What context do you think would have made what he said acceptable?
If only the video was accompanied with a detailed article. We may never know.
I don't see much in the article either but the article wouldn't be proof
Have we not learned from the scandals about the Trump Russia conspiracy theory, the stuff out today from the twitter files about the pharma lobby donations, the WMD scandal with bush...the 'Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian op' stuff being made up ...that you can't trust something automatically just because it's posted by a journalist
So your perspective is:
- Don't believe the abuse we see on video - there might be more context that makes it somehow okay to yell at someone that you will "Fuck them up"
- Don't believe the article with context from direct interviews, public quotes, and court filings
- Instead make up a random theory that exculpates the guy caught on camera being abusive to his wife
It really just sounds like you want to excuse his behavior and are looking for any possible way that you can convince yourself that this isn't abuse.
The trump Russia stuff was not a conspiracy. muller couldn't do what he wanted to do because he believed you cannot indict a sitting president. There was plenty of collusion from people on his campaign. Trump pardoned some of them. muller was clear that you could indict him for some of that stuff after he leaves office.
Also, considering the instruction that they pulled against the Mueller investigation, you can't be sure that there was nothing to it. This is why obstruction is in itself a crime. If you successfully cover up a crime to the point where it cannot be prosecuted, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen.
magat brain worms. how sad.
What is the matter with you? No articles needed. Did you fail to see what was going on?
sally this article is from over a FUCKING YEAR AGO so forgive me for taking a few days to get back to you. perhaps consider my comment may have contained some sarcasm that you, responding to a discussion FROM OVER A FUCKING YEAR AGO, may not be picking up on
Are you kidding me.No further explanations are required. This is abuse-out and out abuse!
dude! his wife is HEAVILY pregnant and he is telling her he will fuck her up:D! where is the ABUSE:D??? jesus Christ...
Ryan, this is a self-report...
Nope. It's a mundane, eye-rolling domestic argument.
Hey out of curiosity how long have you been in a relationship with your partner?
20yrs.
How many times have you told your partner "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!"?
Never, but that’s not how he said that from other posters and tbh, I didn’t even hear that.
Can you point to the time stamp pls, so I can hear it?
My wife and I have been together for 20yrs. She’s kicked me in the balls and I dragged her down a flight of stairs for it. She’s told me she wanted me dead and I told her I hated her.
We love each other to pieces and would never do anything to really hurt the other. People are dynamic, they get angry, shit happens.
We have just as much love and fun times, way more in fact. We both see this world as basically beyond saving.
Always apologize if we mistreat one another. Life goes on. This was nothing.
Our children, life, home… they mean so much more to both of us than any stupid words said in frustration.
This is literally nothing.
The wife is sus, as would be crowder if he released it and she had told him she’d like to kill him.
Words, shmerds.
wow, you hear yourself? probably not...
No Context needed. Crowder was a complet Ahole! End of Story! An embarrassing Turd.....and I was a fan!
The medicine he wants her to pick up is toxic to pregnant women, and she's quite obviously pregnant in the video. Not to mention the language he uses is very commanding and lacks any and all respect and civility.
His ex-wife has dodged an even bigger bullet. Steven verbally mugging his wife on camera. “Mug” club, indeed!
Oh please. She apparently was the bullet to dodge. You believed her disingenuous act for the camera?? Seriously??
disingenuous act? Do you believe S Crowder was being disingenuous or serious?
100%
Now you sound like the abusive type.
If a man exercised his vocabulary and showed anger like Chandra to a woman, she could claim abuse, fear of her life, file a restraining order and have the man evicted from the family home. Ironic eh?
You're pretty gross, man. A man threatening his wife with assault is always a terrible indicator that he can't control his temper which eventually leads to abuse. But a man threatening his PREGNANT wife with assault is absolutely on the brink. Pretending otherwise is despicable.
She was clearly not afraid.
If it weren’t for outrageous hyperbole these weirdos wouldn’t even be able to form a thought.
Everything from people like you is a life altering crisis.
I bet they get on their knees and thank God every day after watching this. I don't understand how ANYBODY can watch this and say it's not abusive. I was terrified for her and her unborn child! The dog didn't look too happy either.... Tail down, scared. Looks like a typical day. Wow!
Who funds Daily Wire?
They always tell on themselves. Blaming no fault divorce instead of himself and his anger control issues. He would have preferred his wife to be stuck with no options. And what kind of person schedules elective surgery when their wife is nearing the end of her pregnancy? And missing his children's birth, too? Quite the family man.
The phrase elective surgery is hilariously misleading. It was open chest surgery at Mayo Clinic. He had to put steel rods above his heart to prevent his body from collapsing into his heart
Lol it was indeed elective surgery. His heart was never at risk of being crushed; it's purely an aesthetic choice. In other words, it wasn't medically necessary but Crowder felt that the surgery would help him feel more himself i.e., would make him look more like a man...
"Gender confirming surgery for me, not for thee!"
Seriously, I have a friend with the same condition. It's elective. When he was growing up his party trick was eating cereal from the 'bowl' in his chest. He's in his mid-30's now and still has it. Not life-threatening at all, just slightly weird looking.
I don't remember seeing any chest scars in the pictures of him holding the babies when they weren't very old.
Based on your near-nonsensical description of the medical circumstances, I am assuming the surgery was to correct pectus excavatum? To call that an elective surgery would be factually accurate, not "hilariously misleading".
well maybe he should skip the surgery. world won’t miss this asshole.
I am kind of confused about that elective surgery thing. Did he say he had a concave sternum or something? There were pictures of him with the kids after they were born and he was bare chested. No scars that I could see. Where in the world do they cut people for that?
The claim Steven shouted "I'm going to fuck you up" is said to have occurred just seconds AFTER the video ends. The (multiple) sources are all anonymous, who shared text messages (etc), but none are presented. Statements are made by the wife's family (no bias there), and assumed factual, during a nasty 2 year long divorce with perhaps millions on the line. Yet, BOTH parties claim no physical abuse ever occurred.
Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
This feels like a poorly constructed hit job.
If you don't see any sort of manipulation from that video, any fan of Crowder knows that Dave Landau is an extremely trustworthy source of information. I'm not sure if you are able to see it, but it's quite obvious listening to Crowder speak that he has a massive ego. When inflated by yes men, this ego can get out of hand real quick.
Asshole does not equal abuser.
An asshole trying to emotionally manipulate his wife who is 8 months pregnant into doing something she doesnt want to is being abusive. Why couldn't he have just walked the dogs and gave them the meds himself? He was just being controlling and mean for no reason. You're telling me he can't afford 2 cars? No. He liekly keeps 1 car to control her.
This was what gets me, what's he doing? He's just sitting there hanging out, isn't that the time to do simple pleasant chors like medicating your dog and going on a walk? He doesn't want her taking the car because WHAT IF he needs it. While completely disregarding her needing the car right then and there for a finite errand.
There tends to be a very strong correlation.
sometimes, ok, but you can't be an abuser without also being an asshole
Whether or not he’s an abuser is up for debate but we can agree he’s an asshole. And that’s still not okay. The way he treated her is not okay. We don’t have to make it abuse to say that.
you need to watch the old gaslight movie
Can't even show up on time regularly for a comedy gig. Trustworthy? Extremely trustworthy?
>Without a single shred of evidence
There is literally an verbally and mentally video attached to the article. You are so biased and a simp for Crowder that you can't even think clearly on what a shred of evidence is! Get real. This proves more then enough Crowder is an angry and vindictive person. End of story.
Everyone making all kinds of snap judgements based on a 3 min video. Classy, folks. Maybe we should mind our own damn business.
Just say you abuse women and sympathize with men who abuse women. It's ok. Just admit it. Go ahead. Get it out, wife beater.
Cry more.
you too?
if you have a problem with making judgments (and in spite of that you have made your own) about a three minute video and people not minding their own business why are you here? Go mind your own business.
nah fuck you biotch
"ample evidence" he is an asshole? sure
"ample evidence" he is an abuser? nope
Based on this abusive comment, I'm not sure you're the one who should be defining abuse.
so only women should be allowed to say "fuck you"?
Lmao. sounds about right. stay woke, loser
I do find it interesting how easily "woke" is thrown around against anything the "anti-woke" don't like.
Ample evidence. Yep.
how
Talking down to his pregnant wife like she's property. Forbidding her the ability to use the car to buy the groceries he wants. Acting put upon when Not allowing her to speak at all. Acting like he's being victimized and "trapped" at home if she leaves to go to the groceries. Demanding SHE give HIS dogs their medicine while she's worried about the affect on her pregnancy.
If this looks or OK to you, then there's nothing left to say. We all see what a piece of shit he is in 4K, and no amount of willful blindness or denialism is going to make sane people doubt the evidence of their own eyes and ears
Do you see no irony at all in your hurling vicious verbal abuse at us for just having a different opinion to you...while you say the guy who was in the tape curing was abusive??
We just have a different opinion than you...that's all...you can be civil..
It seems like you don't this so, FYI, a man being abusive towards his wife IRL !=! a stranger calling you names on the internet.
Defending abuse isn't the same as a "different opinion," BTW. If I minimized abuse by saying an adult man only fingered a little girl "for a few seconds," I would still expect to be shit on extensively in the comments.
Um... she was replying to the guy who said "f@ck you bitch" so, that is worse than the pot calling the kettle black.
100%.
it's a bit disconcerting when you define abuse as simply "differences of opinion."
Chandra is trying to tell you that her mother was murdered by the same kind of person. Differences of opinion in those cases lead to death of the victim. Can't blame her for being a little upset about that.
These internet tough guys would never act like that towards an actual man in real life.
so then Chandra is an "internet tough girl" ?
she said "fuck you" first........
cool. still waiting on an explanation on how this is "ample evidence" of abuse...?
if he was so abusive, then why didn't she destroy him in divorce court?
still waiting.............
i'm sure that is still in the works, but you seem to think that it's easy to convince a court to keep one parent away from his children based on testimony for which there is little corroborating evidence. (thank God the ring camera was working but a lot of women or not so lucky)
If a man said that; the woman could call the police, claim verbal abuse and be scared for her life, have the man thrown out of the house and a TRO filed. Then, he would need an independent party (monitor) to be present when visiting his children. Ya, ask me how I know.
You seem to be leaving a few things out here, danny boy, like why a family court judge determined you weren't safe to be with your children unsupervised.
You could respond to that situation by playing the victim on social media, or getting into therapy to figure out how to treat people in ways that don't involve TROs and courts.
Somebody's a conservative simp
Not to mention his side (attorney advised) may not want to comment in detail considering they are litigating. As someone in the midst of a high conflict divorce, who also faced similar allegations, it's not smart to address these issues in the public with statements that could be used against you in court. It's definitely a 1 sided article.
It’s a VIDEO of an exchange that goes on and on. There is no “sides” when only watching the video. I’ve not “read” a thing when all one needs to do is watch, assuming a it’s real.
lol he's been out there talking anyway just like Trump can't keep his dang mouth shut
Sorry for your loss. Your situation does not change the fact that false allegations of abuse by women occur daily and are done so to gain sympathy in court.
In fact, those same false allegations are heinous b/c they take resources away from the real victims of real abuse such as your mother. They also take innocent fathers away from their children.
Danny, you sound like a real justice warror, only advocating for what’s possible despite what we see with our own eyes.
Danny: did you bother to watch that video? Have you ever watched Crowder? Let’s be sure, why women (like this) end up with men (like that) will always be a mystery, but the results have always been fairly predictable.
Yes, I watched it several times.
Yes, I have seen Crowder before and enjoyed a few of his clips b/c they were logical and dealing with illogical people and illogical arguments.
That being said, I do not follow him closely and will admit know very little beyond those few clips I saw.
What you see is different from what I see which is why I am saying that context matters and we should avoid rushing to judgment until all the facts come out.
why ES, false allegations do occur by women. we are commenting on Crowder based on the video and his own public words. You are imagining up some scenario, regardless of what is publicly known, in which Crowder is not the bad guy. And they all lived happily ever after.
cry more. sorry but not every man you run into has your psychotic fathers genes. but you do?
true, not every man is an abusive psycho, but you sound like one of them
I am sorry for your trauma, but you are displaying some excessive & aggressive behaviors ma’am.
I have always liked Louder with Crowder, and for the most part, Steven Crowder.
Yes... this video is a single snapshot with absolutely no context. I get that.
HOWEVER... if the tenor of this exchange happened more than 2 times in 10 years... Crowder has BIG big problems. He IS an abuser, and should get professional help, IF he wants to get better.
Is he a "Juicer" and has "roid rage"? Good question.
If he is unable to find a side to himself, that lets him feel compassion for other people, I hope he just goes away for good. What a dick
He wont' let her have a car, bro, and won't let her use the car until she performs her "Wifely duties" of slathering dangerous chemicals on a dog while 8mos pregnant. I don't know how you can see that there isn't enough context to know whether this is abuse or not...
As we have been told. Like I said... NO CONTEXT. You can believe whatever you want... it's a free country. I've lost all respect for the guy
> Moments later, off camera, Steven Crowder, by his admission, would lose control and scream at his pregnant wife in a threatening tone, "I will fuck you up," which led his wife to flee their home.
Steven Crowder himself admitting to what he said is not an anonymous source.
> Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
What more context do you need? What circumstances surrounding the dialog presented in the video would have made Crowder's statements acceptable?
> This feels like a poorly constructed hit job.
You've probably gaslighted yourself into bootlicking a conservative grifter who profits off your gullibility to his misinformation.
I think it's amusing that that is the point at which he admits losing his temper. So the rest of it is all delivered in a cold calculating way?
"Steven Crowder himself admitting to what he said is not an anonymous source."
Where? Link?
I wonder if it is even possible for people like this to see themselves the way other people see them.
Every sentence you write is so, so loaded with exaggeration and hyperbole, you exude hatred and you so desire someone else to hate with you.
yes I do wonder if you can possibly see yourself the way you're coming across here
"Without a single shred of evidence other than the evidence"
He admitted saying it, unless you think the article is making that up...in which case he certainly would have contacted his lawyer.
except that Steven admitted it himself.
Per the article (emphasis mine):
"As they headed inside, Crowder got angrier and angrier and was, *by his admission* (via audio I reviewed) yelling angrily and said, 'I will fuck you up.' According to *both Crowders*, Steven immediately pulled back and realized what he said."
He himself admitted it.
"He himself admitted it."
Link?
It's in the quote I included from this very article. If you're in the comments section, you have the link.
are you illiterate or did you not read that he reached out several times to Crowder and his team but didnt receive a comment?
Because that’s what it is.
She played this out for maximum effect.
It’s pathetic and obvious.
LOL Pan-Africanism go to Somalia or South Africa and see how you get ripped out and tricked out stupid. "Black" is a color. Not a unifying identity.
Good job with the social justice btw love watching roving mobs of black teens beat a black man half to death for defending his white girlfriend, who also was dragged and beaten. Your ancestors would be proud.
You’re really an ill person.
Really, get some help…
wow, you're an idiot
LOL, the woman screaming obscenities to try to shut people up apparently believes herself to be the advocate for victims. Self-righteousness is a helluva drug!
QQ
Seems like you and crowder have a lot in common.
talking to yourself in the mirror again
Sitting on the patio of an expensive home, forcibly smoking a cigar at 2 p.m. while yelling at your pregnant wife to walk the dog is a picture-perfect representation of the Conservative pundit class.
Excellent reporting. I'm so glad to hear this poor women's story is getting out and Crowder gets the condemnation he deserves.
He acts like a nacissistic sociopath. It seems like he really resented Hilary getting pregnant and did everything he could to ignore it or be in denial about it. After the birth, he left and filed for divorce. The birth of the kids seems to have triggered him. It appears he was possibly abused by one or both of his parents and the idea of becoming parent himself, or his wife becoming a mom, is traumatic to him. He wanted her to "serve" him and his needs despite needing to take care of herself and their unborn children. I'm glad Hilary is finally telling the truth, before the situation escalated further. I hope they all get the help they need and that she gets sole custody and he has supervised visitation.
If he treats an adult this way in private, how will he he treat vulnerable children?
Having a father who became worse after my mother gave birth, this makes sense. He wanted kids, but couldn’t handle my mother loving anyone or anything more than him. Hence why the oldest was abused the most, as well as the dog, house plants, or anything else she showed love and affection towards. He would pick the leaves off her plants just to see if she would react.
Living with someone like this leads to those around them to become manipulative in order to survive. Those around the abuser begin to believe that they are responsible for others’ actions and emotional well-being.
Steven’s belief that his wife only wanted him for his money is a deeper rooted issue of feeling unworthy or unloved. This happens when he has abused her to the point that she does not actually live him anymore, but is in survival mode, and he knows it. I’ve seen this more than once, and it drives a man to insanity.
This is the all too common story found in the dark corners of conservative philosophy and it is what drives people away from it. Abuse and the excuses people make for it.
I really don't think it has any monopoly on conservative or liberal thought. But yeah.
No you don't. You're a lunatic and need to be put in your place and kept under supervision in a safe place.
play nice.......people are broken. Society has failed them. Public school has "f"ed them up. Drugs, alcohol, broken homes, all and sundry, and sometimes venting online is all they have, literally. People are trifles, to be used, abused, farmed for revenue and disguarded. What you are reading from them is a cry, literally, for help, for love, for concern. Remember that. Most are adult broken children. Sad.
Could also have just been a bot designed to stir up controversy.
Jesus Christ - what a piece of shit!!
"But I don't love you, and that's the problem." And it sure is the problem! For him to say that to the mother of his child is reprehensible. There is nothing that transpired prior to this video that justifies a man saying that to his pregnant wife. That behavior alone is emblematic of a childish, abusive baby-man of a narcisist, regardless.
It is never reprehensible to be honest. She clearly not only did not love him but she was trying to falsely claim he was abusive certainly to be used for a divorce. Now that is whay is reprehensible! Being pregnant does not give a women the right or excuse to be malicious with making false accusations.
Did you miss that the not-loving-your-wife thing is the reprehensible part? Honesty is only as good as what is being said, friend.
Says who? If the wife actions are not loving.and the wife is not sharing any genuine love towards him how can you expect him to have love back. Love is a two way street. The wife was being disingenuous when saying she loved him on the camera. That was just an act for the camera. Crowder was the only one being honest there. You could tell there was nothing sincere in her words. You can't force feelings of real love especially when the other side has none for you. You can tell she had already decided to divorce him and her being disingenuous was clearly making Crowder upset and causing him to say what he was saying. You clearly are not seeing past the superficial words of the video and not grasping the underlining context and circumstances behind them.
and what were her unloving actions from the three minute video?
I would have told him to f off! He was looking to belittle her, demanding and nasty!
The most shocking part of this whole article is that Steven Crowder only owns 1 car.
It allows him more control over his wife.
this is awful
Two points:
1. When people show you who they really are, believe them.
2. How the heck do they only have one car in 2021, after Steven was already making well more than the $100k per year he was making in 2012? Probably to control her.
Exactly, and they live in Texas and not NYC or Toronto. You can’t do anything in Texas without a car.
He should be in jail or hospitalized for the insane. This person isn’t a man, he is a monster! What does he know about the Bible or anything to do with kindness, love, caring and family. No one should ever behave this way to anyone, let alone a wife 8 months pregnant with twins. Keep the kids away from him
Nah, he seems pretty based. As a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Nice try, incel
How many of these kinds of "conversations" are happening on a daily basis throughout the US and around the world? Why is this so familiar, so common, so appalling? Doesn't matter one bit if he's a celebrity. You don't treat your pregnant wife this way.
I sincerely doubt these types of arguments are confined within the borders of the US.
Yes that's why I said "and around the world"
Hard unsubscribe. This is really gross.
frozen burrito thinks writing about domestic abusers is crossing the line
Maybe it's invading somones personal life by showing footage from inside their home without context claiming to show "abuse" from a guy who only once gets out of his seat and never even raises his voice.
Consider she may know this is being shared or will be just like Depp did with his recordings so is gonna sound v reasonable.
I've seen guys do psychological manipulation but I've also seen women sound totally reasonable when doing it to make the
You have to be v v careful with these out of context internet videos I've been manipulated and burned by them before.
I've lived psychological manipulation I know it's a thing, it can be worse than physical because the abuser does it in a way that's so subtle to make the guy look like the crazy one.
Stop thinking about what team you are on guys and try looking at it as person X verses person y.
Firstly, how could Crowder, someone that claims they idealize and adhere to traditional gender roles in marriage do this to his wife?! He throws a fit about her taking the car, and suggests that she takes a Uber! She is 8 months pregnant and his wife! What a strong man, looking out for his wife and their progeny!
Secondly, he then makes her "put on gloves and walk the dogs". She has rightful reservations that the meds could be teratogenic. Once again he fails as the "father/man" role he always expounds! Why couldn't he walk the dogs? Why doesn't he want to protect his children?!
Thirdly, he wasn't present for the birth.....failed again.
Fourthly, he loses his cool witnessed in this video and also later according to his own admission. According to him and conservatives, women, the left, weak individuals are supposed to be hysterical and emotionally lose their cool. The only hysterical one is him, what a fraud!
Oh, and what kind of man smokes around his pregnant wife?! I'm glad that teamster clocked him!
here's my thought about where she wanted to go with the car, she probably did have some errands to run but also might've been going to talk to a lawyer or a therapist and didn't want him to know. An Uber rental would give a record of where she went.
Nothing in that video is defensible and nothing in your comment is defensible. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the indefensible because you like Crowder. Disgusting.
when person X is not the one screaming and yelling, then person Y is the abuser when he is screaming and yelling and using profanities especially considering person X is eight months pregnant with twins
Good luck every getting pussy lmao
Take care of your first-hand bias before you abusively attack the person you're replying to.
The abusive attacks on this thread are being made by the prior commenter/Hardy!!
Do you consider "Fuck you, cunt." to be verbal abuse?
Nobody was murdered in this clip. No murder was threatened. No violence of any kind took place.
So I'm not sure why you'd bring that up. But if we're doing the oppression Olympics game you Americans love to play let's play: I got Cowders wife beat.
I read the article..ok so let's assume he talks down to get regularly in a domineering way and wanted her to handle dog food she thought was risky....let's assume those.
That's it? This is the worst they could find...according to the article with the video this is the 'pinnacle ' of his abuse?
Well I'm sorry but it confirms what I've always thought about Americans, especially middle class and above...youve gone soft as shit in the last 20 years and wouldn't know a real challenge if it bit you in the ass.
As someone (since we're doin that) who has had ACTUAL abuse (no Yanks people SAYING mean stuff to you is not the same as full on abuse) both physical and violent sexual when a kid from adult figures I would have traded the abuse she shows here for what I got in a hit second.
"Wifely duties" are we to really honestly believe that she married this hardcore neanderthal conservative without realising he had more traditional (perhaps backward?) ideas on how marriage works? That she's just finding this out now and is SHOCKED! SHOCKED TO FIND GAMBLING IN THIS CASINO!!?
she brings it up because this is where it starts and you guys keep saying that we only know this three minute video. Yeah that's why we are pretty convinced there's a whole lot more worse going on that we don't see. Plus we know about his abuses toward his coworkers and colleagues. By the time it gets to the point where it's leaking out into your work life, it's got to be terrible at home.
Verbal abuse leads to death... but also "Fuck you, cunt."
"abuse"
hey look, more copy and paste spam bullshit coming from you instead of an actual argument
what a surprise!
Somebody's a conservative simp
Is this what passes for abuse nowadays? lmao
If you think this is a “normal” interaction within a marriage: no wonder you vote for toxic Republicans. That’s what you grew up with, it’s what you know. Sad. Very sad. This is not normal.
What do Republicans/Democrats have to do with this? For fvck sake, not everything boils down to politics. Assuming you voted for Biden, do you not consider him toxic for taking showers with his own daughter? How about Clinton fvcking everything that had breasts on his way up the political ladder and getting a blow job from a fat intern in the Oval Office? Because you voted for them, is that what you grew up with and all you know?
If you can't see the direct correlation between the fact a republican political media personality who is very clear about his deliberate misogynistic public ideology might also be toxic and misogynistic at home and in his personal relationships, and that his supporters might also share the same views, then perhaps you aren't intellectually equipped to handle this story
Perhaps you are so full of hate for conservatives that you are not intellectually equipped to handle this story.
ah, the "No, u" reply. I see we're dealing with a titan of intellect here.
possibly but sorry to burst your bubble, I'm a lifelong conservative, far more conservative than the GOP is right now especially on the issue of abortion (which is just the strong picking on the weak and defenseless) But I don't equate abuse with being a conservative or liberal, in fact it should not be associated with any party. However the GOP seems to have now embraced it.
Crowder _literally_ believes that his wife is his property and has made statements alluding to the fact multiple times. He's also a political media personality and literally preaches this kind of behavior on a national program to millions of people on a daily basis.
He's quite literally telling his followers to behave according to this toxic and misogynistic ideology and you don't seem to be coherent enough to see the correlation between that and his personal relationship failings.
Maybe ask your grandkids to explain it to you.
Seriously? What does politics have to do with it? Is that the only question you could think up? And immediately go into the whole “But, but, but...” to throw the ball out of the court when it’s on fire.
It’s called PROJECTION and it doesn’t work on people who are informed.
First of all the Biden “history” you are referring to is untrue. Bill Clinton was a womanizer, as MANY men in politics are.... should we mention the last guy that lost? The one who screwed a porn star while his wife was home with an infant. Yes: that one. The one walking into changing rooms with naked girls changing at pageant shows. Who grabs women by the pu$$y. That one you forgot to mention.
Republicans are ADDICTED to put downs, negativity, blaming, and screaming & yelling. It’s obvious from the TV & radio channels Republicans follow. Non-stop negativity and blame, never taking any responsibility for anything.
LMAO....ever hear of a guy named Hunter Biden....FYI the porn under oath said Trump never had sex with her.
Al Gore, abused Tipper and screwed around on her.
Demoncraps are all about projection, screaming and whining like little kids blaming everyone of what they do....how many Pedo dems have to be caught before the world realizes they are the party of perversion. Democratic mayor of a college town outside Washington, D.C., was arrested Thursday for possession and distribution of child pornography.
This is an article about Steven Crowder and his abuse.
Your response to this abuse is "but look at everyone else that I don't like" instead of condemning it.
It's pathetically transparent and doesn't convince anyone of anything other than the fact you are embarrassed by Crowder's abuse and are afraid to directly address it.
I'm a Republican and have no problem saying that Trump is a piece of shit human being and Crowder appears to be one as well. I bet you aren't willing to say the same about the Bidens or Bill Clinton.
is Hunter Biden running for office? Who knew?!
I tend to assume the kinds of people who want to take away women's reproductive freedoms and believe wives should be subservient to their husbands are generally more likely to treat their wives like animals.
now seeI kind of think of it as the opposite because abortion is the best picture of the strong destroying the weak and defenseless.
OK, I was all over your responses back there pj BUT, that’s just bullshit. Abortion protects the mother/host FOR ANY FUCKING REASON SHE WANTS IT TO BE. Period.
Like if a girl of 14 got pregnant (for many reasons out of her control OR EVEN BECAUSE SHE WAS STUPID and didn’t use protection - ahem, girls in states with horrendous educational standards don’t want to educate her over her health concerns.) . . . ABORTION lets her lead the life she wants, actually being forgiven, that “easy problem to fix” IN AN OVERPOPULATED WORLD WHERE ASSHOLES want to hurt us women and now politicians want to prosecute and hurt us some more, OVER WHAT WOMEN CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES and now over how much freedom “we will be allowed”.
They never ever do that to men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s the only superpower complicit conservative women pimp for the party. It’s disgusting. 🤢
Because with abortion, she is then free to create the life she wants, WITHOUT THAT BULLSHIT CONTROL over her.
It’s people who want to punish her for being careless, stupid, OR RAPED that are committing serious perpetrations against her, and condemning her to what you BELIEVE?!!!
Please come into the 21st Century with the rest of us, where the wealthy have abortion access ALL THE TIME! Your thinking on this is biblical lunacy and right wing mumbo jumbo. I CALL IT a CRIME AGAINST THE GIRL.
Murder?! You’re killing the future prospects and prosperity for that girl and all girls. Condemning her to a low income, dismal, boring, dingy life and THAT’s WHAT’s SICK ABOUT THIS part of the CONVERSATION.
Consider the ASSHOLE she’s with, like crowder, a lazy ass fucker who treats her like shit. You’re going to prevent her from getting an abortion? WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?!
Sure mr. crowder is a dirty rotten abusive bastard, and his wife was dumb and naive for sticking around “for the children” but that’s what CONSERVATIVES PREACH AND DO. They do it for “the children”, those poor unlucky children born into homes that don’t want them, with creepy, poor, uneducated, dumbass parents that treat them worse than pets.
EXCUSE ME?
It’s NOT GOD! It’s not MEANT TO BE.
It’s NOT SACRED! It’s a made up angle that sucks the life out of society and our beautiful girls who grow up to be sad ugly and unhappy! You see them everywhere!
It’s biological, and scientific but you PEOPLE made abortion a crime against YOUR OWN children succeeding in life! Using religious beliefs against your own children is peak corrupted religion!!!!!! And EXTREMELY PEAK CONSERTATISM and that’s where we are.
Betraying your children and people over an ancient religious dogma that ISN’T EVEN IN THE BIBLE is the sickest response and I see it all the time. 🤮
STOP TRYING TO CONTROL WOMEN! They will get their revenge. You will definitely see this happening and I WILL BE THERE HELPING THEM GET THE BOOT OFF THEIR NECKS!
Maybe those men wouldn’t want the females they love to go through the trauma. Many women suffer from terrible(destructive)guilt & persistent depression after their abortion, you know!!
Are those female guinea pigs? Llamas?
Nah, animal rights activists would be outraged silly goose !!
🤡
Are you suggesting that Sue is a clown. If so, I agree.
No hon, I'm calling you one🤡🤣
J seems to lack reading comprehension skills.
You and Sue both. Mad 🤡🤡
That's all you got Jasmine? Can't argue the point so you just respond with an unoriginal emoji?
You just posted straight up bullshit🤣 Troll elsewhere 🤡🤣
What was bullshit?
What's the point of arguing with a person that refuses to see a correlation so clear it could serve as a storefront. Moron.
Biden showers with his own daughter is news to me. I agree it shouldn't be political but we have a former president who has made verbal abuse normal and encouraging violence normal. So that the people who already thought it was normal are now less concerned about hiding it.
oh, and there are plenty of examples of trump lusting over his eldest girl.
in the interest of transparency no, I did not vote for either of the two useless parties.
Sad.
Nothing wrong with getting a blowie in the Oval, socially enforced monogamy and sexual repression are cringe AF and families bathing together is pretty normal, it's actually weird that you would think that's anywhere near sexual.
It is not normal for Dads to shower with their daughters you freak
Yet again you're trying to deflect the discussion away from Crowder.
No, Crowder seems like a piece of shit. The original post I replied to called somebody out for voting for "toxic Republicans", I pointed out how 2 of the most prominent Democrats are disgusting human beings yet she supports them, and here we are. A father showering naked with his daughter is galactically more disgusting than Crowders verbal/emotional abuse towards his wife, yet that person supports Biden without question because he is a Democrat. It's hypocrisy, I can't comprehend this for you.
Dude, ahem, moron, that’s been debunked hundreds of times. They stole the diary and made shit up and you get the booby prize. SUDDEN DEATH on your old standby conspiracy theory. It died here today but I’m sure you’re gonna ignore it and keep outing yourself as a fool and repeating it many more times cuz you’re just that stupid. YOUR STUPID, it BURNS!
P.S. the Hunter Biden laptop story is a loser too because there were so many handlers and so many things uploaded to that piece of hardware after Hunter had it, that it’s too corrupted, it can never be used in court. But do go on about the Bidens, and ignore all the stupid creepy staged hijinks old fat Donald has made. The shooter attempts were fake too. donnieboy doesn’t care who gets shot, just that it isn’t him.
Take it from somebody who just had their 42'd anniversary. This DOES NOT rise to the level of emotional abuse. You could put a camera on any married couple and over time you would see arguments that could make either the husband or the wife look like an a$$hole. There is no screaming there is not physical abuse, there is only disagreement. People are too quick to pull the Divorce string these days because they don't want to put in the effort to make the marriage work. During our 42 years of marriage and there have been dozens of disagreements any of of which you could make an argument that either one of us were a$$holes, but here we are still loving each other, and yes even after 42 years we still have the occasional disagreement but we are willing to stick with it and make it work.
Do you regularly yell "I will fuck you up" at your partner?
You are absolutely the abuser in your relationship....
ONLY an abuser would find this “normal”.
Your wife must have been raised the same way you were; in a toxic household.
Wow. Decades of marriage here and if my husband ever treated me with the contempt displayed in this video, I'd be long gone. Speaking this way to a spouse does not constitute "putting in the effort." It reflects a decision that being treated poorly is something one or both parties accept and expect.
Its abuse. Never ever ever treated a woman like that....ever. Never went to bed angry, never woke up angry. I guess it comes down to mutual respect and mutual love. Different strokes for different folks.
Going on 32 years here , & it was most definitely abuse in the video.
I am sorry that you seem to have these kinds of similar episodes that have desensitized you to understanding what real abuse is.
Watch the old gaslight movie. No screaming or hollering in that either. It's based on a phenomenon that many malefactors use in their intimate relationships to get what they want.
It's a typical interaction in a marriage gone bad, whether the partners are toxic Republicans, self-righteous Democrats, hardass conservatives, or hysterical liberals.
I think he was agreeing with you, that the behavior was "typical" when the marriage has gone bad, and it is irrelevant what political party the people are identifying with.
One person doesn't represent the entire conservative population of America you dumb arse. I don't know any conservative men who treat their wives this way. And .. we don't know the whole story. His wife may have been a shrew.
He literally has a talk show where he speaks for the conservative movement in America. He literally does speaking engagements at colleges for the conservative movement in America. He is - in the most literal sense - a poster boy for the conservative movement in America.
Own your own.
40% of cops, who are majorly republican leaning, abuse their families at home. Moron.
What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and her children. Most of them vote democrat. The lives of their children are merciless. Is that abuse?
Largely that is due to things like the unethical and immoral war on drugs and historical policies that prevented the accumulation of generational wealth. The issues you speak of don't track to race, but to poverty and broken homes (a result of policies that criminalize people for preferring substances other than alcohol, even though alcohol causes more harm to users and society than any other recreational drug, see: "Drug Harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis" published in The Lancet).
boring troll has boring right-wing talking points that boring troll uses to distract from the fact his idol is an abuser
exactly what does that have to do with Steven Crowder?
Replying “and there goes the racism as a deflection tactic” to 'J West' is disingenuous when considering the context of, and responses to, his initial comment. I’ll break it down for you:
1.) JW commented “one person doesn’t represent the entire conservative population.” This is an accurate statement. You cannot objectively judge any group of people based on the actions of an individual.
2.) 'Responding to a Stupid Fuck' clearly disagrees with JW and his beliefs on judgment when he replies with this:
“40% of cops, who are majorly republican leaning, abuse their families at home.”
In response to RSF, JW displays a clear logical-fallacy in RSF's reasoning when he makes replies back with:
“What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and their children? Most of them vote democrat.”
This is not a racist statement. JW made this statement to highlight the flaws in RSF argument. JW made this comment to highlight that if you are using statistics to judge one group by the actions of a few, you must then judge ALL groups by the actions of a few.
Humans are vastly different, and the beliefs of a political party will translate differently for everyone. I am a moderate-conservative and, yes, I believe Crowder to be abusive after reviewing the evidence, but I also cannot overlook the very obvious bias people have when picking and choosing which statistics to throw around in attempts to prove their points.
she might've been, so that gives him the excuse?
You do realize Shakespeare was fiction?
Notice they are all just thinking about their stupid team fights not explaining where the abuse it?
Can one of you stop talking about politics and explain what you consider abuse in that clip?
it's all throughout, and if you can't see it I'm not sure how we can help you but maybe you need therapy
Not all abuse is physical.
This is absolutely emotionally abusive behavior. I look at this interaction and 100% understand why she divorced him.
However, it is possible that his wife is an insufferable twat. We just don't know the story in it's entirely now do we.
You're making a very compelling argument, but it's not the one you believe you're making.
Anything is possible. I don't see her being that in this video though. I see a woman desperately trying to leave knowing that her husband is extremely controlling and likely to physically prevent her from leaving if she doesn't go about it just right.
That is a cop out. Steve is a rat. That was his "heart" talking. I seen enough. Trust.
it's also quite possible that Crowder himself is an insufferable Twat. In fact this video is proof. They both knew the camera was there but she's the one that tried to be reasonable. What does that say about Steven?
If you find your wife insufferable, the correct thing to do is arrange for a divorce. Even better would have been to live together first to test compatibility.
Ask your wife.
To normal people, yes. Not to neanderthals.
As someone who is in the top 1% of Neanderthal DNA (334 variants; per 23andme), I ask you to retract your racist comments. We high Neanderthal content humans are the survivors of a GENOCIDE, not a punchline!
The tests are fake. Sorry to tell you. There is a video or two of identical twins testing different and a man swabbing his poodle's asshole and it coming back as European. He was Latino. "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." Mark Twain
If you hurt your wife's feelings, it's abuse. If it gets posted on line, the entire herd will come to her defense.
If you tell your wife "I will fuck you up", you deserve to be vilified for the scum you are.
And even then, you'll have sycophantic incels (this is the part where you come in Danno) crawling to the comments section to defend your abuse because they have no idea what a healthy relationship looks like.
Threatening your pregnant wife with violence is just "hurting her feelings?" Your household must have been a den of domestic abuse.
It's almost too easy to spot the users in this thread that will never enter into a long-term healthy relationship with their partner.
This appears to be the standard.
To normal people, yes; this absolutely qualifies as abuse.
Your definition of what constitutes abuse in a relationship is most likely nonexistent, however.
Yes, the fact that you refuse to recognize it means that it's been so normalized in your mind that you don't even see the problem. Honestly, I legitimately just feel bad for you.
No this what passes for a rat ass coward who is talking tough to a pregnant female. A woman to whom he should cherish, after all she was good enough to "f" but not good enough to respect. Steve Crowder is a sissy, because what man, WWII, treats women like that? I'm old school. Back in the day he would have to answer for disrespecting the "honor" of that woman.
My people are from the south, old south. We don't play that.
also, they keep telling us that we only have the three minutes by which to judge. And considering both of them knew the camera was there, you would think that Crowder would've made his behavior a little more acceptable. but he did not. Or maybe he tried and this is what he thought was more acceptable than his usual.
Who's to say that all of the "missing context" doesn't make SC's behavior actually far far worse?
And when will they concede that enough context has been given? Never, I would expect.
Yikes. My husband has never spoken to me with even 1% of the hostility that Steven Crowder directs at his wife here. That’s not how a man treats a woman.
One car? He's making LOTS of money, and he won't buy a second rig? ???
Tells me all I need to know about Mr. Crowder.