She's a victim of domestic abuse. How do you want her to behave? She tries to appease him by telling him she loves him and is committed to him. That's what scared victims do.
Yep, it's no different if a man was dealing with a wife threatening to harm themselves or something emotionally abusive such as that. You pretty much tell them what they want to hear in the moment until you can make yourself and others in a safe position. She's not manipulating, she's surviving.
There's camera's littered on their property, for good reason because of potential outside threats. This is the worst they could find and it's all edited (you can clearly see cuts in the video) to make him look as bad as possible and this was the worst they could find? Use your brain. This is a big nothingburger. You can't be this goddamn stupid.
There are a lot of phrases that, even taken out of context, shouldn't be said to your spouse or any other human being in a relationship. Also, his tone is demeaning and superior. There's no affection coming from him, it's like he's talking to a servant.
There's *one* cut that I can see, and you have no idea if this is *the worst they could find*. And if you don't think it's bad, that's a you problem. You're way in the minority here.
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Love how you just invent shit out of the blue. She wants to take the car and will be back "whenever". He has a set schedule because he is a media mogul in high demand.
Nothing in this video indicated that - at this moment in time - he was scheduled to the second. In the time he took to berate her, he could have done the dog's meds and walked them both.
I am not saying this is a fair assessment of their overall relationship, but he is not looking good here at all.
Why do they only have one car anyway? That's weird in itself and will leave one of them stranded at any point the other takes the car. He does act like a total douchebag though. She shouldn't be giving the meds to the dog if it could hurt the babies plus he wasn't there for their birth. Total douchebag and she's better off without him for sure.
Do you realize how faulty your thinking is (or your lack of thinking is).
You proved you can't clearly reason because you just assume someone noticing her manipulations means they are 'fine' with abusing women. That is a huge leap.
Correct because women are the victims 100% of the time and men are the abusers 100% of the time and women are perfect in every way and men are trash. Good luck being alone the rest of your life.
No one said that. She's 8 months pregnant with twins. He's being a selfish a$$hole and seems to enjoy her exhaustion both physically and emotionally. That is what a sick person does.
Orrr, you're interpreting this video based on your own biases, taking cover behind your own alleged but unproved "rational" mind, and ignoring the article that follows the video for some reason.
been married once, for 30+ years, still going, and absolutely women are not always the victims. But I'm not sure what that has to do with this case where she clearly is the victim.
based on what hes saying it sounds like shes cheated on him, and what he said...not that bad for someone who is apparrently a violent bully....this is garbage
well if you actually listened to the dialogue which seems like you probably haven't, it sounds like she isn't doing "wifely" things (maybe being eight months pregnant she's not as sexually adventurous as she used to be who knows) and she doesn't want to handle a substance that might be harmful to her babies. Wow. Whether or not she is correct in that (I have my doubts) his demanding she obey does nothing for her anxieties about the situation. He is a man who thinks every problem needs to be dealt with with a whip. She is not his military recruit. And as he continues to treat her as such, he is destroying any relationship that may have been there while she is attempting to salvage it. But if you ask me this would've been the last straw. Good for her. He is treating her like a dry drunk.
Also Steven said there was no infidelity on either one's part.
I do not think his behavior is acceptable at all, however, she was not afraid of him physically harming her and she's never claimed that. I didn't see any fear in regards to her physical safety that would require her to appease him.
Or sheтАЩs attempting to change the subject so she doesnтАЩt have to do shit she doesnтАЩt want to do. Like it or not, ADULTS have to sometimes do things they donтАЩt want to or donтАЩt feel like doing. SheтАЩs pregnant NOT an invalid.
they are his own ring cameras so I would imagine he would know where they are located and that they could be recording at any time. What he didn't bank on was that they would be used against him because he's always supposed to be in control, in his mind, as clearly demonstrated by the recording.
ItтАЩs obvious from their body language who has the power in this dynamic. He is under no threat, not at all at risk, actively and repeatedly demeaning her. She is pacing, restless, afraid to leave, like she is caged and knows the patterns of her captor, knows what will happen if she tries to make an escape.
Attempting to manage the situation to get herself to a place of psychological and emotional safety isnтАЩt manipulation. ItтАЩs self-defense.
I understand why you have that perception. I wonder if youтАЩve ever experienced or directly witnessed emotional abuse. I sincerely hope you havenтАЩt. I hope you never do.
I have. I know exactly what it looks and feels like to want and try to leave but to have an invisible tether that keeps you from walking away. To stay in a cage with an open door. To know that acting may result in harm to yourself or another because it has in the past.
SheтАЩs gotten up to leave but she doesnтАЩt leave. She keeps stepping away but coming back. She keeps declaring she wants to go but itтАЩs obvious she feels like she needs his permission so she can leave safely. From her body language, I confidently infer that the тАЬiтАЩm gonna fuck you upтАЭ threat is not a new act of terror.
And you know what, I believe her. But I want you to be right. I hope she wasnтАЩt abused. God knows that is trauma that sticks.
There is not enough information for a proper judgement to be made. The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it. I do not know either party. Attempting to extrapolate the whole story is difficult from this position.
To me the Landau bully comment if true is what makes me want to side with his wife. Landau is someone that has had to deal with bullies a lot, often using humor to defend himself from them.
"The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it."
2 things:
1 - Even someone who has been a manipulator their entire lives can suck at it.
2 - If you look at the comments in this very post, you will see many people who cannot catch it.
And yeah, Landau is a stand up individual and I've seen him talk about it very sincerely. He talked about his own shortcomings in the same conversation so he didn't just pin blame on Crowder. In fact, he was overly generous to Crowder given all of the ways he was mistreated by him even on camera.
Your comments l lead me to conclude that youтАЩre an abuser yourself. Not just men are abusive. YouтАЩre so strong to defend him, perhaps you should ask yourself why?
No its called reading between the lines and looking at nonverbal language, and you're obviously too stupid to look at this situation with any amount of intelligence.
If she wasn't 8 months pregnant, I would probably agree with you. We don't have enough information. However, I feel like in the final stages of pregnancy that maybe getting your wife pregnant and simping for your wife in the last month or two of pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world and kind of what you signed up for. Stress heavily negatively impacts fetuses in the womb. For the sake of my children, I'd probably put in some sacrifices for the sake of my children's development in the womb. Especially when it's over small things, like having to sacrifice gym time to get groceries or give the dog medicine.
Saying that "this only ends with discipline and respect", in its own way is showing an immense disrespect for her and her concerns. It's just completely dismissive of her point of view.
Even not seeing what caused the conflict, I feel like that clearly demonstrates some abusive behavior. However, maybe it was a one-off situation (albeit an extremely poorly timed one-off considering is wife is 8 months pregnant....).
yeah I'm wondering how he disciplines his wife. I can't imagine how he would have to get his children. Domineering to the extreme. Glad they are not subject to his constant "attentions."
The other thing that people forget when you are in an abusive relationship is that sometimes the victim is not going to act perfectly but that doesn't make them any less a victim. Clearly here she is trying to talk rationally and get a little time away from his craziness, maybe she has a therapist appointment to learn to deal with this, and she doesn't want to tell him, for all we know.
They were obviously in the middle of a argument that was not entirely captured by the film. There was no context at all. We have no idea how she behaves or what kind of passive aggressive stuff she pulls on him.
He's just sitting there smoking and whining. A truly supportive and loving husband wouldn't have given it a second thought. And before you say, "well he's busy with the show and that's her responsibilty", well if he truly cared about his unborn chilrdren he wouldn't even take that risk. Esp so becuase the woman he made an oath to expressed hesitence about it. For that reason alone he should accomidate her! You can't excuse his behaviour here, or his comments about wanting to force her to stay with him. You just can't and you know it.
Correct because men should work a 60 hour job and then come out and do all the chores. I hope every man in your life Dodges a bullet by not marrying you.
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ThatтАЩs exactly what Steven was doing, saying that if she loved him she would walk the dogs and give them medications while 8 months pregnant with twins. He was punishing her for not obeying him by saying she couldnтАЩt take the car. So I guess he was using a common female tactic? lol
If she really loved him, that task would have been done, freeing them both for a while.
I don't get these stay at home women who act so put upon. I've known guys where the stay at home was so lazy, the men did most of the housework. Like my stepmom.
IтАЩm a stay at home mom and have been married for 10 years. Never would my husband ask me to walk the dogs while I was 8 months pregnant, let alone with twins. And the way he demanded she do it or she wasnтАЩt allowed to take the car is abusive. And why do they only have 1 car? He is a mean person and his show has sucked sense Jared left.
Most men go to work, come home, and watch sports or play video games. My husband is like that. I get it, they are tired after working. I have raised 4 children and my work day never ends. Cleaning, cooking, laundry, even when I worked part and full time on and off during our marriage. You are so out of touch and obviously not in a long term relationship
Not to mention a second car. I keep wondering why they only have one car, and then I realize that maybe itтАЩs precisely so he can control her like this.
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Nobody is saying that... When circumstances change in a marriage the co-equal partners are supposed to flex. Hierarchy is pretty simple: #1 Wife, #2 kids, #3 employer that helps sustain numbers 1 and 2, then anything else, including dogs. He should walk his own **** dogs, find someone who will, or rehome them. Your wife and your kids she's carrying 99x/100 will outlast the pets.
I'm sure that she, like other women, expects him to do all of the 'husbandly' duties, like mowing the lawn, unstopping clogs, changing the oil in the car, fixing this and that....
Quick: what's the difference between changing the oil in a car and shopping for groceries. And why can't a big buff dude who works part time do both exactly?
SO why doesnt he do it??!?!?! why put even unncessary stress on the mother, she has a FUCKING BABY IN HER STOMACH and hes telling her to put chemicals on a dog while he sits there with a cigar in his hand. you moron
So if you get pregnant you shouldn't be required to do anything at all except eat and sit and watch TV is that right? I just can't figure out why men are opting out of marriage if I could just put my finger on it.
Honestly very psychotic that you think it's preferable to live alone for the rest of your life, rather than put medication on your own dogs so your 8-month pregnant wife doesn't have to be exposed to chemicals.
bbox, I say this with all sincerity....you've either been so abused and gaslit so badly in your life that you've taken this absurd view, or you're an abuser yourself. Either way, please seek therapy.
Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Recognize that, regardless of what she has said or done off camera, the abuse and manipulation tactics here are CLEAR and unacceptable.
I agree with you, this truly isnt a good look for him but i also want to see when this argument because it matters. If 2 minutes before this she was being a dick to him and thats what pissed him off then that matters but if she wasnt and thats still how he was acting then Steven is a piece of shit. We need context
I guess I donтАЩt get why *we* need to see anything. Why wouldnтАЩt we simply believe her? Especially when all evidence, both his public and private persona, demonstrates him to be a highly aggressive, toxic, and abusive individual. And especially when his *public* statements about her and their marriage are abusive?
ItтАЩs amazing that in a case like this, when the testimony of character is overwhelmingly in a womanтАЩs favor, so many still refuse to credit her word and demand more.
We'd need to see it or hear it from all parties involved. I don't believe anyone. This is the internet where the "truth" can be twisted in so many ways without concrete evidence, and the video clip is only of this specific moment. So no, people shouldn't just believe someone because they said something, especially if you know nothing about someone.
There is no way this incident happened without both parties being at fault at one point of another, which has built up to this moment. I've seen it time and time again in many relationships/marriages ive been close to.
I donтАЩt know the details that led up to this specific interaction.
What I do know is that there is *absolutely* a way that an incident like this could happen without both parties being at fault. Sure, both parties are never perfect, but responsibility for abuse always sits squarely with the abuser. Abuse is never тАЬasked for.тАЭ
It's because of people like you, who automatically blame the man based on a short video, not knowing anything else about the relationship, that causes so much skepticism in me.
I would never take your word for anything because you are proven to be so gullible and jump to conclusions with little information.
I do have information. I have prior knowledge of Steven CrowderтАЩs public persona. I have read the full article and the reports from multiple sources corroborating his character and behavior. I have audio of his saying тАЬI donтАЩt love you anymoreтАЭ because when he tells her what to do, she doesnтАЩt do it on demand and with discipline.
Also, I donтАЩt need you to believe anything I say. I do need someone who is in an emotionally abusive dynamic to know that a) it is not in their headsтАФit is abuse and b) they will be believed and have allies. Clearly, you are not the audience for this message.
IтАЩm as terfy as it gets, and everyone in my Twitter circle is condemning this clearly abusive behavior. TERFs support women over men, always - no matter how those men identify.
Then you have never been in an devaluing relationship and should be thanking God for that. She is not manipulating him, she is trying to diffuse his anger because she knows what will happen if she canтАЩt. She is strong, and brave, and doesnтАЩt put him down, she speaks truth, despite his cruel controlling and manipulative comments.
You have no knowledge of this other commenter. You are making assumptions of them JUST LIKE the assumptions you are making of the video. Neither are based in facts. Narcissistic people can very easily make their partner look тАЬcrazyтАЭ or тАЬevilтАЭ I find much of this video to be deceptively editedтАжie why insist what was said directly after the video ended was something egregious yet not show it? If you cannot show it, why say it as a definitive? If only one party states something occurred w/o evidence itтАЩs complete speculation.
I am woke and I'm sick of the way women whine about everything being 'abuse.' I'm sick of seeing men blamed for bad behavior when their wives/girlfriends are just as good at giving it back.
Especially since they turn around and claim that they are as strong as men. It is so pathetic.
lmao these fucking "conservatives" cant understand anything. Candace Owens is clearly an upset fuckin loser and got butt hurt over him turning down daily wire.... mrs candace "im not gonna bad mouth crowder but heres 50 bad mouth remarks...." owens lmao.... and the wife clearly had a motive with giving this foootage out of context
it's funny because nobody actually says "i'm woke" except a conservative trying to cosplay a liberal. That's how you know this person is a) a dude and b) a conservative and c) a domestic abuser.
well that's good cause I'm not woke, to me Trump is a big government liberal. but I also think conservatives have really made themselves look like hateful dumbasses Especially for the last seven years.
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well thanks for telling us that you hate women and you like to abuse and domineer, I am quite sure you radiate this quality to everybody around you so that only the women who want to be dominated and abused will be prospects for you.
not really a fan of Candace Owens either because I am quite sure she is one of those women who you guys are all complaining about. Her birth story was bullshit nonsense and full of medical misinformation.
She is being even more manipulative-the man is just pissed because it's the 1000th time she pulled this crap. She knows he needs to use the car for work but her sudden emergency nail appointment should take priority over his. Classic case of female abuse. And she is playing for the camera. To deflect the manipulation and falsely make the man the agressor, every abusive & manipuplating woman only needs to do is cry, make a pouty face when she doesn't get her way, and and say "I love you" when abusing him. Men remember AWALT, it's just a matter of degree.
He didnтАЩt need the car for work. He said she could use the car is she walked the dogs and gave them medicine. He was punishing her for not wanting to do that while 8 months pregnant with twins. What man acts like that and then threatens his pregnant wife? HeтАЩs a faggot.
LOL he said he needed the car to go to the gym and see his friends! Just fully making shit up to cover for some dude who doesn't know you're alive! He's a millionaire, son! He could BUY a new car tomorrow if he wanted one. There is one reason why he has one car: so he can control his spouse.
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What we see looks pretty horrible regardless of context and Crowder seems to agree. But the context can make a difference - this could in fact be the 1000 time sheтАЩs challenging him and he blows his lid in response to that history rather than to the current situation. In a way that is horrible and abusive and he should have apologized for and in fact may have done it.
She was most likely the wrong choice, as was Landau, whoтАЩs a sniveling cunt derailing the show when Crowder is about to make a point. Both sort-of тАЬtrickedтАЭ him into committing and Crowder seems unable to accept and cut his losses, which is tbh so ugh and painfulтАж He wants some sort of revenge, and thatтАЩs through abuse, and that can and has been turned against him.
Gerald or his father seem competent and loyal and should be able to help him navigate emotionally difficult situations. He needs to let them.
I'm also conservative and a traditionalist, and I'm not afraid to call this what it is - wrong and abusive. If you can't admit that some conservatives are bad people and/or commit bad acts, you're in denial, and you probably aren't very confident about your own beliefs. I'm comfortable enough in my own beliefs to not think I have to endorse Crowder just because he shares the same political label as I do. He's seemed "off" to me for a long time, this only adds to it.
IF YOU ARE тАЬCONSERVATIVEтАЭ and yet you havenтАЩt watched parts of statements being used to screw people over then I have to believe you are being disingenuous. тАЬCalling people outтАЭ should be done without making biased judgements, w/o using the assumption of how you would react in the situation as a basis for him positively being at fault. MOST people have just stated that there isnтАЩt enough context or knowledge about their relationship to say either way.
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All men are born of a woman, married or not . . . Judaism is matriarchy . . . Jews trace their lineage through the women . . . Catholicism is the red headed stepchild of Judaism, Pope Father Bergoglio and all that patriarchy at the Vatican is nothing but a policy to spread the other cheek of altar boys.
if you don't get shot when you're busy shooting up your school because no girl wants to go to prom with you, you're going to die alone, you incel loser.
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well not when I was eight months pregnant, yes I have been terrible at times to my husband of 30+ years especially in my 20s and he has been exceedingly patient with me. And yes Crowder is absolutely abusive. Steven Crowder claims to be a Christian right? That means he is to lay down his life even as Christ laid his life down for the church. I don't see him laying any life down here he's just browbeating her like a good old Pharisee threatening to throw the first stone. (though he has clearly been stoning her figuratively for a long time, this is a very familiar unhealthy pattern to them, you can tell by the way it is being done).
I don't doubt the possibility that she used to give it back to him but when you realize that that just fuels him more she learned how to Gray rock. And as she learned healthier communication habits he has gotten worse which is a very typical when you try to resist bad relationship behavior the sick one who doesn't want to change gets even worse. (incidentally, I would bet she has been seeing a therapist for her own sanity in secret and Stephen is probably pissed off that he doesn't know where she is at every second of the day).
what would that prove even if someone was in a similar argument? Nothing. There are people who behave like Crowder and it doesn't make Crowder's behavior less abusive.
No, unfortunately you refuse to see that it IS possible that a woman could be manipulative. This scenario COULD BE EITHER she COULD be being manipulative AND he COULD be being abusive. There is no way to know without more video or factual information.
Intelligent well measured men, even if under manipulation, NEVER say the things this creature said. Even if she is the most wicked witch on the planet, she is of no threat to him and he need not be so aggressive. I can't stand so called men who raise their voices and posture aggressively toward women- they always act differently when a man is present. And, since my wife has bore me many many children, I can tell you she would never be asked to deal with stuffing pills up my dog's anus when she is 8 months pregnant, or pregnant at all for that matter. A real man would not expect that.
I can't think of any medication that dogs take that way. However it's beside the point. She apparently had to hang up about handling the dogs medication because she was pregnant and didn't want it to affect the babies. Regardless of whether her fear was rational, Crowder was abusive towards her about it.
wow. No one here is saying that Hillary is perfect or that she ever hasn't dished out something similar (quite possibly she used to and then realized it was not healthy and found other ways to try and communicate, deescalate, and set boundaries). But we are commenting on is the video. In that video Crowder is being abusive.
Anyone that can look at this and hand wave it as hes not an abusive person, especially when he admitted to threatening to "fuck you up," is most likely very much the same.
If anyone sees this. Run from people like this. Immediately.
All I have to say to you is that if you think Crowder's behavior here is okay, normal, and healthy, you will never, ever have a happy marriage and you will die alone and miserable.
Crowder appears to me a Narccisist on Steroids! This turd now scares me. His wife was 8 months pregnant....and we get this 3 year old tantrum behaviour. Shame....Shame...Shame on this Psychopath!
I think IF this 3 min clip is representative of how he usually is (which we don't know) then sounds v anti social and I think he has a personality I'd hate to date someone with....having an off putting controlling personality is not abuse.
he's literally ordering her around and screaming about discipline and making her do things that are dangerous to her health but there's no abuse? fuck you you disingenuous shit
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
Eight months pregnant with twins is hardly 'leisurely. It's not that she didn't walk the dogs, it's that she was afraid the meds would be toxic to her unborn children if handled (he wanted her to do it as a power play/punishment, as he clearly could have stopped smoking his cigar long enough to do it) I also doubt this dude works 60-80 hours a week. And yes, it was elective surgery that could have been scheduled at any time and he chose to do so shortly before she gave birth. And also didn't show up for the birth, what a great start to being an involved dad.
your girl knew what she was getting when she married him and had his kids shes a putrid breeder of the putrid. I married a deranged asshole, had his deranged asshole kids, I'm shocked I got a deranged asshole.
"CEOs work less than most people." Does this also apply to female CEOs? Are you saying that a female CEO works less than one of her lower-level male employees? I don't think you're capable of admitting this.
He doesn't work a 6AM shift, he's not on his feet for hours, he is a *podcaster*. You cannot apply your circumstances to his and pretend that justifies his outrageous behavior. In addition you are comparing your own situation to that of A MILLIONAIRE. He makes enough money that he could easily buy his wife a car for her own needs - if he wanted. This isn't about the car. This is about controlling her movements.
For that kind of money, he could buy a 2nd car, and hire a housekeeper, cook, and dog walker, too, to unburden his wife so she can focus on birthing and then tending his healthy babies.
You are seriously unwell, and your worldview is profoundly fucked. You are also absolutely delusional if you think what Steven Crowder does for "work" is remotely close to being described as "working 60-80 hours a week". Steven Crowder is a complete hack and the worst kind of grifter. It's very apt that filth like you would be so drawn to him.
It seems like you may be applying your own life situation a bit too much here to steven's. He very clearly is telling her that if she doesn't obey everything he tells her to do then she doesn't love him, and he doesn't love her. His love is conditional on her obeying his every command. He was CLEAR on that.
Also, did you hear what he was saying? He wanted her to pick up all of the groceries and do MULTIPLE errands in an uber, yet...couldn't he do the same, and it'd be easier for him to do so? Also, he said he couldn't even CALL his friends (watch it again). This is a classic case of "pile on", where they try to give a list of all these things to make it sound like they are MORE inconvenienced than you, but he slipped up here with that absurd comment. Bottom line: an uber for him to a friends and back is a LOT easier for him than her taking one all arnd town and WITH groceries. So why do this, then? He's just a clearly controlling person.
Also, his wife "did this?" He screamed "I'll fuck you up" inside the house to his 8 month pregnant (with twins) wife. He's admitted this himself. You've clearly never been in an abusive relationship like this. I have. THIS IS FRIGHTENING. Is it your opinion she should stay with a man who is clearly abusive and, according to her family, has been for years, because it was bad timing for HIM?! SHE is not the one being abusive and threatening violence, HE is. This was HIS FAULT. HE did this, and he reaps what he sows.
If I was "on the verge of dying" because of lung problems, I wouldn't smoke a cigar. Pull the other one mate, no-one's buying it. Or just stop defending an abusive POS
This is such a garbage point of view. I work 80 hour weeks on a regular basis. If my wife was eight months pregnant, and I didn't have the time to do the tasks she normally would have, I would either hire someone to do it, or call family in for additional support. Being a garbage human to her would not ever be an option, regardless of how hard I might work for however many hours.
It sounds as though you are accustomed to "building a case" as to why completely unacceptable behavior on your part is always the other person's fault.
Wow, now explain why sheтАЩs also тАЬnot allowedтАЭ to have someone come pick her up? Would her father have a right to pick up his daughter?
Yep this is definitely not an an abusive man ranting about тАЬobedienceтАЭ and whether she has a right to disengage belligerent conflict seeking. ItтАЩs not about dominance seeking. This is about a tired man smoking a cigar on his patio and how badly he really needs the car. He could take that uber as well, or you know, hire someone to do the labor he exploits a heavily pregnant woman performing for him for free. How many hours of domestic labor must she put in, how much time as chef, personal shopper, personal assistant, maid, laundress, pet sitter must she log to his benefit, to earn enough travel credits ЁЯдг? After all, she didnтАЩt earn enough social credits to apparently call whoever the F she wanted to come pick her up. Maybe heтАЩs have left her the F alone if she put in her FMLA request to get the F off her back. If you ever told your wife you didnтАЩt love her if she didnтАЩt pass your dog med p-ss test, then escalated to screaming a physcial threat when she disengaged you, youтАЩre a domestic abuser.
Don't know what to tell you dude except that if you're bending over backwards to invent a scenario in which Crowder is not an abuser, then you're probably one too.
I work about 60-80 hours a week. I've never, ever treated my partner like this. This isn't normal, and if you think it is, you aren't normal either. You're an abuser.
Dude, he's not working at McDonalds. He's a wealthy man. HE COULD HIRE HELP IF HE WANTED. Why are y'all pretending he's some downtrodden everyman? Are you that snowed?
And guess what? If you want a home and a family, you have to pull your own weight, and that includes doing more when your spouse is about to give birth to twins.
Baby Huey could have bought a second fucking CAR...even a third fucking car by now. His CONTROL over HER whereabouts was far more important than his pwecious fweedom apparently. DERP!
You don't even see how ridiculous you look do you?
You just set the standard that being verbally vicious is "abuse" ...then you do it yourself!!!
Lol ...and people 'like' it lol no wonder your country's so screwed up with mass shootings and people diagnosing themselves with mental illnesses they don't have based on an internet search. You people are a parody of yourselves.
You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video. You have no idea what's gone on inside that marriage. We have no context on how abusive she's been which could justify these responses from Steven. And I don't mean justify as in the correct response, but justify them within their toxic relationship.
When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship this type of talk would be common for both people in the relationship. It doesn't make that okay for Steven to talk like that, but if both people are doing it then this clip becomes a nothing-burger. They're in a toxic relationship and should seek marriage counseling. This clip makes it look one sided.
My point was if she was doing this to him too then they need marriage counseling. You can't make a conclusive judgement off a 3 minute video. If both are guilty then they most certainly need marriage counseling! Long before a divorce. There are kids involved.
How about from the article underneath where it says that her family is the one that leaked that video and more, and says that he's been emotionally abusing her for years, and he admits he has a volcanic temper that he can't control.
You could argue that. You could also take note of what he's saying to her and realize that her reactions are far more mature than his. She offered to get anything he needed, and food is objectively something a person needs - hence the grocery store trip. He was only talking about 'potentials' as far as what he might have needed the car for - to see his friends, go to the gym, or visit his parents. Did he actually have those things planned or was it just a 'what if'? Was he sincerely thinking about her needs and that of the household (cooking dinner, by default, requires the resources to do so) or was he just prioritizing his own 'what if's? She tries to set boundaries. She tries to tell him that the anger is unnecessary. He responds with 'you need discipline' and a childish freak-out. Just listen to 'that doesn't work eeeeither' around 1:10 and tell me that's not the tone of a kid throwing a tantrum.
Also, couldnтАЩt HE take an Uber if HE decided he needed to go somewhere before she got back? And why doesnтАЩt she have her own car? CONTROL. He didnтАЩt want her to go anywhere without his permission or she would have had autonomy.
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I agree with your former comment but I'm clearly seeing it from a different perspective. You're right, he could have taken an Uber to go anywhere he wanted. She could have, too, but I've also been in the situation where I had to take Ubers to the grocery store (seizure disorder meant I couldn't drive myself) and waiting the 20 minutes for someone to show up, get you there, and then wait on the curb for ANOTHER 20 minutes - assuming it's not rush hour, in which case it'll take longer - turns a 30-minute grocery trip into, and I can vouch for this personally, a two-hour one. It's not reasonable to tell someone to just 'take an Uber' for something like that considering she's also going to have to load and unload her groceries from that Uber while EIGHT MONTHS PREGNANT. Whoever thinks that isn't a huge handicap has clearly never carried a child.
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"You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video."
You have clearly never been in a relationship with an abusive person like SC and have no understanding of this type of domestic abuse.
"When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship"
She, as an 8 months pregnant woman, did not want to touch chemicals she was concerned might be harmful to her and her children; he became emotionally and verbally abusive, gaslighting her. She repeatedly had to reassure him in his vile outburst that she loved him as a means of soothing his temper. Any person who has been in a relationship with a man like this knows exactly what is going on here. She, on the other hand, exhibited no toxic behavior.
If he was treating his pregnant wife like this on a casual Saturday, berating her, gaslighting her, being emotionally abusive, and threatening her with physical violence, saying he would "fuck her up" (which happens after they go inside, and is not on the video, but is something he apparently admits that he did), this incident is 100% not isolated.
You do not "seek marriage counseling" with a person like SC. You divorce him, get as far away as possible, and keep your children from being in his presence unsupervised.
ThereтАЩs no way she was behaving as terribly as he was. Also note how calm she was, she knows. SheтАЩs been down that road with him and she knows itтАЩs in her best interest to remain calm or he or other asshats like you can try to flip the script. You clearly have never dealt with this kind of behavior in any of your relationships, and you very clearly think that this is 2 sided when itтАЩs quite obvious it is not. Good for her for leaving his piece of shit ass and shame on you for thinking she was part of the problem.
Wrong, theyтАЩre hypocrites who will condemn someone for тАЬverbal abuseтАЭ, and then proceed to demonstrate why they are leftists by fully embracing that which they condemn by swearing and name calling till they are blue in the face anyone who disagrees with them.
ItтАЩs pretty funny tbh.
YouтАЩre trying to reason with the mentally ill. Good luck with that.
Holly, don't let internet manosphere trolls get you down. These people with nutty views like this are everywhere, and thankfully 99% of women have deduced they aren't worthy of their time.
Huh. It's interesting that of the two people in that conversation, one of them WASN'T pregnant with twins and was capable of getting an Uber to go to the gym (like he said he wanted the car for) and is also a multimillionaire who could buy another car today if he wanted to.
Yes he talked about discipline and respect towards his wife, which is a clear indicator of how little he thinks of her and what he expects the power dynamic to be. I'm sorry you're too ill to understand that.
He raises his voice a few times. You can hear it again as he follows her inside. Also in the article he says he has a "volcanic temper" that he can't control..
also don't blame me for your misogyny, you're the one doing backflips to find a way to exonerate this man when the situation couldn't be clearer. Ask yourself why it's so hard for you to call a spade a spade.
cutting off someone's access to a car, getting angry when she says she'll be back when she'll be back, demanding that SHE feed HIS dogs medicine (that may or may not be toxic to PREGNANT WOMEN), a steady stream of berating her, saying she's a bad, selfish wife, etc. all of those things are abusive. hope this helps.
This was abusive, but hard to tell if this is a moment of passion. My wife and I both get angry at eachother sometimes and say unreasonable stuff that we later regret and apologize for. I feel like that's pretty much every marriage. But if he is always like that, it's definitely no good.
Resigned frustration? I feel that's a pretty common theme in marriage. I'm often frustrated that I make about 85% of the income, pay all the bills, and am left as the lone stay at home dad most of the time because my wife has a travel job (which I support most of the time but it's real easy to feel anger when the stresses pile up). I've given up fighting it and probably come off. She definitely shows resigned frustration at my occasional recreational drug use. People are flawed and part of marriage is adapting to/accepting the flaws of your partner, where I feel resigned frustration plays a part.
My gut says this guy probably does this often given the fact that she is pregnant. I glanced over that detail. If there is ever a time to try to minimize the stress of your partner, it's when she is pregnant.
Her comment, "she'll be back when she gets back," is like giving him the finger.
Women can cry abuse all they want to, it sounds like she is a passive aggressive - which is just as damaging to a relationship. Note he says he has been loved by her. There is something very wrong, and it's been going on for a long time, and she is definitely part of the problem. Saying over and over, "Steven, I love you," is just talking down at him without resolving any issue.
Yeah, she married Steven Fucking Crowder, so obviously there's something wrong with her. But really, it sounds like you are just dying to suck Crowder off, so now that his wife left him, maybe you have a shot. You should be rejoicing.
No, I've seen firsthand how manipulative women can get with men. My sister used to pull crap on my brother in law, then he would pull crap on her. All it did was cause a lot of tension as they couldn't put a lid on it while others were around.
It was ridiculous; however, both were very much at fault....arguing over such stupid stuff.
Like crowder's wife whining about the toxicity of some rx for the dog - there is a simple solution, use gloves. I can't imagine not giving needed drugs to a dog over some hysterical fear of toxicity, so I can't blame crowder for being irked, because it is so stupid. Geez, when my dad was using a drug that could be absorbed by the skin, I used gloves. I suppose I could have whined, refused to give my dad his meds (he had dementia), whined about getting a neighbor to handle the drugs. But I used gloves - simple solution.
His wife sounds like a major cry-baby (as she demonstrated by crying, another manipulative tactic used by women), even if he was more responsible for the problems between the two.
She was crying because she was 8 months pregnant and told her husband "I love you" which he responded with "I don't love you, that's the problem." To his pregnant wife.
And you can't blame someone who across this entire scenario could have given the dogs the medication, over a woman *8 months pregnant* who has a *rational* fear of it harming them. You can say handle gloves, but there's a dude sitting on a bench berating his wife smoking a cigarette, and then there's an 8 month pregnant woman getting prepared to *still* run a ton of errands. I think the dude who's just lounging around screaming obscenities at his wife could probably have handled it.
Also your previous comment about being passive aggressive being "just as bad", no, no it isn't. Getting fed up and saying "I'll be back when I'm back" (which also can just mean "dude I don't know, I don't have an exact timeline") is not the same as telling your pregnant wife you don't love her, and following her inside to scream "I WILL FUCK YOU UP"
It wasn't on video but he literally *confirmed* he said it.
At the end of the day, if your stance is
A) Make the pregnant wife do the dangerous thing instead of the husband who is also available to do it
B) 8 month pregnant women are barred from crying or else they're manipulative
C) Passive-Aggressiveness is just as bad as Demeaning someone, insulting them, telling them you don't love them, and verbally threatening them
D) His complaints are valid but hers are not, and you can't tell what she's done outside this argument but you won't take that same line of thinking for him
Then IDK what to tell you. Because all are very unhinged thoughts.
'I'll be back when I'm back' is just saying she's not able to determine what time she'll be home. Sometimes that's impossible to know due to traffic patterns or the line at the check-out. The fact that you see such as statement as incendiary is, frankly, concerning.
Oh bs. Her comment was an f-u, I'll be back whenever I feel like it, and you (hubbie) can stuff it. If there was concern about the car use, she could have said, I'll just pick up a few items and be back quickly.
I would bet she has stranded him before by taking the car.
I've seen these ridiculous tricks played by spouses before.
JUST SAY YOU HATE WOMEN AND BE DONE WITH IT, FFS. WeтАЩre tired of reading your misogynistic, incel comments. So sick of you sociopaths. If you hate women so much, DONтАЩT BE WITH ONE, problem solved, you sick f*.
LOL "stranded" HE'S RICH, you dingus. HE COULD TAKE THE UBER; HE COULD HIRE A DRIVER. HE'S NOT A HELPLESS BABY, HE'S A BIG MUSCLY MAN and you act like he's completely incapable. Which, it certainly seems like he is. Since he ran from the marriage before she did, and tried to cut her, his wife who was taking care of his children, off.
Ummm a controlling personality that leads to an attempt to umm "control" another person, a person you view as needing to submit to you, is the definition of being abusive. What would qualify as abuse to you?
Just bc its not physical abuse doesn't mean it isn't abusive. He was telling her she couldn't take the car & that if she didn't do what he wanted, it means she isn't doing her wifely duties. He's making his problem w her behavior & turning it around on her as if she's the one who needs to change instead of him. She brings up the fact what he's doing is abuse & he says "watch it. Fucking watch it" in a way i interpret as threatening bc he doesn't want to be called out for his bad behavior. I don't care what you call it- anti social or a controlling personality... Its abuse. Those are the ppl who have abusive violent tendencies. Personalities like anti-social or other personality disorders. I really hope you wouldn't excuse someone behaving this way as "not abuse".
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
If I worked 60 - 80 hours a week and couldn't afford a second car so my partner and I could grocery shop and socialize at the same time, I'd be asking how I fucked up so badly.
If we only had one car and the dogs needed to be walked and take their medicine, I'd do that myself while my partner ran errands.
Having a job doesn't excuse anyone from a share of maintaining the home they share with other people. Owning dogs doesn't make them someone else's responsibility. Directing a very pregnant partner to handle toxic chemicals, when I've got nothing better to do than sit around with a cigar, would make me ashamed.
Ofc it's a man, who will never be pregnant or have to suffer extreme physical discomfort and consequences because of the effort to Continue The Human Race, that thinks this.
Half the population isn't as deranged and abusive as Crowder, but there are certainly a number of people who seem to be okay with abusing women like yourself that I wouldn't mind seeing locked up. It's make everyone else safer.
Now that's an intriguing idea. Maybe detain them as long as it takes for them to learn to treat other people like independent beings who get to do what they want. I like it
Simping for a guy who tells his 8 month pregnant wife he is going to F her up is having an off putting personality, actually telling your 8th month pregnant wife you are going to F her up is a personality disorder. Know the difference.
Telling your very pregnant wife to take an Uber and to give medicine that is toxic to her and the unborn children, to his fucking dogs is most certainly a form of abuse. And he was very clearly projecting by saying that she was boxing him in and that she was preventing him from seeing people because she needed to go to the store for whatever bullshit he apparently wanted. And why exactly does someone with as much money as him only have one car? IтАЩm guessing itтАЩs so he can keep his wife stranded at home. That man is a piece of shit and so are you for defending him. You can both rot in hell.
ThatтАЩs an excellent point about the car. I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. Crowder has always struck me as an abusive, domineering jackass to whom it would be hell to be married. I hope she gets every penny sheтАЩs entitled to.
Of all the words he said, this phrase was the most notable and deserving of a reference, which makes it odd that it is left out, if you can put aside your political allegiances for a minute.
Not only is he exhibiting CLINICAL signs of an abusive partner, he's also showing traits of narcissism. The people who cannot see this and support him, even after he said he's done abusive things are not normal. They are not mentally normal.
You know what impresses me the most about you people is that you're gaslighting on behalf of Steven Crowder. You're basically doing the "you're overreacting" tactic that is extremely common for abusers to use on their victims.
People who have Ring cameras know they record. That includes him. Unless ordering and installing Ring cameras is another duty she has to perform for him and he forgot about it.
You know nothing about this relationship from this clip. My wife has duties and I have duties as a husband. Maybe you have a rich husband that allows you to go to the spa and do nothing for o contribute to the relationship. If thatтАЩs not true, then you have duties as a wife as well. This is dumb.
How about from the article underneath the clip. If you didn't read that, stop talking.
What contributing was he doing in this scenario btw? Was he helpless and unable to buy groceries for himself? You realize he IS the rich husband here? Right? he's rich. He has millions. He can hire help. He can buy another car anytime he wants.
I read the article. I also understand how different authors write in different ways to paint people in a certain light, often without showing the entire picture. If you look at your statement you will see how youтАЩve proven to yourself that you donтАЩt have any clue as to what their relationship is really like. I donтАЩt think anyone should be quiet. Anyone should be able to speak their mind. I donтАЩt know you, but you sound either oppressive, stupid, or lazy. Try being open minded and seek the WHOLE truth, not just what one author may sayтАжespecially in such a polarized society. The times we are in require much skepticism and understanding regardless of what тАЬsideтАЭ you are on.
No, I've seen abusive relationships up close, and it isn't always the man's fault. I've seen women, like my sister, deliberately and repeatedly provoke men (her husband).
So, no, I don't automatically take the women's side, especially when the context is not provided (why was Crower angry to begin with?). They have obviously been at loggerheads for some time, and to assume it is all the man's fault, which has been fashionable for decades, is ridiculous.
This is the way, obviously their relationship is in shambles and the idea that this is how thier relationship always was is completely irrational. Even if he is the only one at fault people seem to forget that they loved one another and functioned enough to get married and form a life together at one point that obviously changed at a certain point.
so you're never going to be able to do that unless he releases the info which he has threatened to doтАж (and that always convinces everybody that you're not the abuser when you threaten to release private info) ЁЯЩД
So why are you here commenting about how nobody should have an opinion about this? All you're doing is broadcasting your own blindness and hypocrisy.
My opinion is that he should not be judged by this video alone. I am only stating my opinion because so many are making accusations based on a 3 minute clip. I care because I see our society constantly doing this about so many things and IтАЩm worried that we are becoming more easily manipulated and controlled because many donтАЩt have the patience or the emotional stability to look at something with great scrutiny and depth. Am I allowed to have any opinion I want at any time and am I allowed to express it here or anywhere else I please? ThatтАЩs rhetoricalтАж.if you were wondering.
What bums me out the most about people like you, is that you appear 100% ready to convict someone based on one single edited 3 minute video clip and the claims from one side of the dispute.
You act as if 3 minutes of video cannot contain a lot of information. And you say "convict" like I'm going to personally send him to prison. That's up for courts to decide if there was legal wrongdoing. But I am making a personal judgement, that this is abuse, and I am VERY confident in that judgement.
a 3 minute glimpse into his heart.... I don't judge the incident, I judge his mouth. Right or wrong his tone is abusive and weak. His heart on full display
You're pretending that Crowder doesn't have years of his behavior recorded and available online for people to make an informed decisions as to his character or lack thereof from.
You might genuinely be this ignorant, but the people condemning Crowder are certainly not.
you know what bums me out, how many people think that they can't see that this is abusive from this three minute video plus everything else Steven has done publicly about this for the last week or whatever.
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
"I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry."
This is really funny. All the Crowder simps in this thread are saying that this clip doesn't show a pattern of behavior from Crowder, that he was probably just REALLY upset in this one clip, and most of the time he's probably just a really nice happy old teddy bear who loves his wife unconditionally.
But NOW we're assuming YEARS of bad/lazy/unacceptable behavior from the pregnant wife.
You can tell by her deferential comments, soft voice, calm delivery, and repeated "I love you"s that she's had to talk this guy down a lot over the years. She's afraid of him.
I hope any partners of these Crowder apologists realize sooner than later that they're not safe with men who think this behavior is okay. Make a plan, put protections in place, and leave.
Oh please. She is very condescending and patronizing as she keeps repeating telling him she loves him. He even objects to this manipulation, saying she never loved him. Notice how she dodges him, starts turning on the water works, and the issue never actually gets resolved (at least not that the video shows).
She is a passive agressive person. I'm not saying Crowder isn't also a problem, but she isn't the pure little angel that people are making her out to be.
Yeah, she must have deserved it. She's "no angel" right? And you know that because you have your little anecdotes from things that didn't happen to you and pregnant ladies you see walking by, because you have no life experiences or education to draw from, so you're very certain you're right about this woman from one video, which is the same thing you're accusing everyone else of, only YOU are doing it on behalf of Steven Crowder, Known Asshole.
no he said "I don't love you" and as far as I can tell from the next sentences he seemed to be implying it's because she hasn't been showing him love.
Well, that isn't how love works and if he thinks love and marriage is somehow a transactional tit for tat relationship, as opposed to him pouring himself out for the other (because as a Christian he has instructed to pour himself out for his wife the way Christ gave himself for the church)... well that's most of his problem there.
This idea that he was on the verge of dying, when he finally got surgery in his mid 30s that most people with that condition get as children, is hilarious. Concave chest does not kill you. They were married for ten years. He decided to get the surgery when she was due because he's a small feline.
You can post this paragraph as much as you want, sweetie. You're still very obviously not a man who's ever lived with a woman or been involved in a mature relationship.
And that's the problem with Crowder, too. There's this trend of young, sexually uncertain MAGA men who hate and fear women - but because they're MAGA, they have to still get married and act like Traditional, Masculine, Heterosexual Conservative Men. But being a miserable closeted gay man makes one a lousy husband, even if one weren't as cruel, emotionally unregulated, and prone to hysteria as Crowder is.
he also famously said that paternal leave is for "pussies" plus he wasn't even there for the delivery so... she's left to take care of twins having never taken care of even a newborn beforeтАж All by herself mostly. Because that's women's work/wifely things. Along with being constantly sexually available I'm sure. Because that's his right. Wifely duties.
and if you had had heart surgery would you be working to calm yourself down or adding to your stress levels by screaming and yelling and escalating the situation?
Did you ever think she may have been privately seeing a therapist in order to cope with his abuse and she didn't want him to know about it?
And don't say she should've told him because that's not how it works.
No, but years of this type of treatment does. It starts subtle one little put down about how your hair doesnтАЩt look right. Then the next time itтАЩs three or four things wrong with you and it just keeps going for the rest of your relationship and if you think that youтАЩre at fault, it never ends.
I'm sure your "tough guy" husband hasn't had 3 minutes he regretted in your marriage.
Give me a break. For starters, there is very little context. Second when operating at Steve's level, why is he so out of line to expect the same from his wife? As far as providing, it looks like he has held up his end of the bargain.
We don't even know their agreements or arrangements. To paint him as some diabolical figure based on this shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or are some 3rd wave feminist, which if true, all 3 are true by default
Congratulations on telling on yourself. No, normal people do not have these kinds of episodes, even when disagreeing with their partner. The fact you clearly do, and that you think it's normal, says that you are an abuser yourself, or have never been in a real relationship. Either way, you're out of your lane.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I do not have a "tough guy" husband, nor any husband, I'm actually a straight dude.
I can say this much from my own experience: my dad--probably the most masculine person I know, worked his ass off running a construction company, strong as a bull--never once spoke to my mom like this. They're happily married into their 70s.
Meanwhile Crowder's wife is divorcing him, and this video shows us everything we need to know to understand why.
Maybe you had fucked up parents who behaved like this and so you think it's normal and healthy. In which case, you should probably get therapy.
there's very little context but you sure seem to know what it is.
Providing for and controlling are two very different things. He's pretty filthy Rich why does he only have one car and why can she not just go to the store? Do you micromanage your significant others life like that? Sad, if so, and sad if anybody lets you get away with it.
God, yes. Adam and all the little boys who believe in this fairytale at the concrete level should definitely get in that boat and motor far, far away from the rest of us.
Thank god for that. The more abusive, controlling men choose to stay away from women, the better for all concerned. There are still too many men who hate women getting involved with them, even marrying them. They have their patter down and gullible women fall for it.
Their problem is usually that these men have no real experience with life-size, breathing women. They develop fantasies that involve worshiping, which has no place in a healthy romantic relationship because it's not accounting for the woman's humanity. They idealize women -- often at first sight; the less they know about her, the more robust the fantasy can remain -- and lose their shit when one they're dating does something "wrong," like ordering for herself in a restaurant, or choosing to work, or getting her hair cut. Something violates the fantasy and flip! -- where yesterday they were all in, today they are calling their beloved "slut" and "whore." Just as night follows day.
When a woman senses the control and criticism underlying such a man's smooth talk, and successfully, safely breaks things off, it's a win for everyone. I hope the MGTOW have clubs or get-togethers so they're not lonely. Just keep them away from women. (Bonus: No chance of being "divorce-raped." That's what happens after you marry, right?)
I had a father with a temper but it never was like this because my mother did the 1-2 hours of daily chores while he was risking life and limb to feed us.
It must have felt great knowing that if she didn't get her chores done to his satisfaction he would lose his shit on her.
Make sure to treat anyone you're dating like they didn't get their chores done as many times as it takes for them to figure out you aren't a safe person and should not commingle their lives with yours. This isn't a healthy way to live and they deserve a heads-up.
So, you took away the wrong lesson. Instead of learning to be a better person than that, you became an abuse apologist instead. You should be embarrassed to admit that.
IтАЩve seen all sorts of verbal abuse in this thread, but only from the people who condemn crowder and say they are against it.
Whether itтАЩs because you are fully unable to be anything other than a hypocrite, or simply incapable of speech without resorting to insults targeting gays, special needs, and other less fortunate groups of people for your slanderтАж it doesnтАЩt really matter.
YouтАЩre just continually demonstrating both your lack of insight and character.
The amount of delusion it requires to post that kind of finger wagging moralising, under a video of Crowder behaving like a psychopath to his pregnant wife...you crowder incels are most amusing in your lack of self awareness. :)
So, only conservatives are allowed to be assholes? Did you actually think liberals would just roll over and show their bellies? This ain't the 60s man. They are out for your blood, and my moderate ass is here for it ЁЯН┐
Yes, this entire thread is filled with insults, prayers for death or harm, swear words, all by the people accusing Crowder of being a bloodthirsty, horrid person.
I'm reminded of the ob-gyn who was mystified by this "roast beef hanging between your legs" bullshit, because that's not women work. It just underlines the sad fact you've never seen a vagina, and don't understand that, just like men, women can have a lot of sex without their genitals wearing out.
I don't need to honestly. My undergrad is psychology with a clinical focus. These boys and the pick me girls on here don't even understand how they have basically been trained to think this is ok.
As opposed to referring to someone's labia as "mentally lobotomized" (whatever the hell that means) and then referring to their genitals as "used up roast beef" which is not only a wild assumption about their sex life, but also an asinine belief and a misunderstanding of how female sex organs and sex work.
How can her labia be mentally lobotomized? Also having lots of sex doesn't change your genitals, unless you're having sex with a horse or something. Entire babies exit out of there and the vagina still manages to return to approximately its original size, if not its original size. I'm not even sure why you referred to labia to begin with; you stick your dick in the vagina.
anonymous comments from strangers on the internet is abuse, but steven crowder telling his pregnant wife, "i'm going to f*ck you up", is just his frustration with all her passive aggressive "i love you"s?
Nah man, the video alone could be Steven having a really bad day. What matters is full context, which the article provided. Was he remorseful? Was there a pattern? The answer is, of course, yes. Some things that don't appear a abuseful on the surface add real context. Why did this multimillionaire with a hectic schedule only own one car, rather than his and her car? It was a control tactic.
Until the moment that I realized they only owned one car, I was willing to give that bastard the benefit of the doubt. But, he is financially abusing her.
See pfungus ...that's not an answer to the question and you won't scare me off with snark and you won't deflect peoples attention by trying to embarrass them into pretending they see what they don't see
I mean, I can just go write up a whole-ass transcript of the clip, and copy and paste it here. It's ALL abusive. I literally don't know how to describe it to you if you can't see it. It's like, if I were to point up at the sky on a clear day and say "that's the color blue" and you're like "I don't see any blue." I don't know what you want me to say. Seek therapy.
They don't care. Evidence is irrelevant to them. If a conservative ever demands proof of something right in front of them it's a waste of time. They will never accept anything as proof. Crowder could literally walk up and hit his pregnant wofe with a right hook and you would be having the same conversation.
Hell if he killed her this fucking dipshit would be like but how do we know he abused her? These knobs think they are intelligent but they just say a lot of words. They do not have empathy. The majority of people on social media are narcissistic. This is why individuals like this can't care to see what's immediately in their face.
1. He is banning his wife from leaving and driving.
2. He was manipulating her into performing difficult chores like buying barbecue items, walking the dogs and giving them toxic medication, when sheтАЩs 8 months pregnant with twins at this point and not really able to do these things.
3. He tells her he doesnтАЩt love her after she says she loves him and is trying really hard to save their marriage.
4. He threatens her with тАЬwatch it, fucking watch itтАЭ when she accuses him of abuse.
5. He follows her and keeps tormenting her when sheтАЩs just trying to leave the situation - not allowing someone to leave is a textbook example of relationship abuse.
All of these are signs of EMOTIONAL abuse and potentially financial abuse regarding the car situation (different to physical abuse, like in your care), it is a legally defined term.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldnтАЩt leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. IтАЩve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesnтАЩt make Crowder look good, thatтАЩs for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (thatтАЩs clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
Honestly, dude... just the fact that he's worth millions and they only have one car is pretty clear. He's not averse to spending money. Their house is massive. And yet, there is only one car. I don't know how you explain that other than it being extreme controlling behavior. The only family I ever knew that was wealthy and had only one car was a Greek family (the men are famously controlling). The mom had 7 freaking kids, a ton of chores, no maid, lived in this huge house with no help, and literally could not leave. Her husband was extremely controlling. The context of her not owning her own car, and him holding use of the car over her head, unless she performs "wifely duties" is enough. He treats her like a slave... "You can go do things, slave, once you obey me".
It's abundantly clear what is going on. If they had a car in the shop, I'm sure they have full coverage insurance, so they would have received a rental. They literally only own one car. She lives in a gilded cage with an abusive cvnt.
Do you notice how he continually ties her "disobedience" to her valuation as a human and status in their marriage? "I don't love you because you don't wear gloves", "You aren't a worthy wife because you don't do what I want when I want", "You need to be disciplined to be with me". Paraphrasing, but all very clear statements within the video.
These are controlling and infantilizing tactics. Making someone feel that they must serve you and be obedient to acquire love and worth as a person puts them in a position where they are conditioned to please you without thought for their own needs, desires or opinions. Your love becomes conditional, and the condition to fulfill is complete obedience. Because you have put them in a position where theyy are dependent on you for love and stability in heir life, they become increasingly conditioned to respond "positively" to this tactic. They increasingly learn what makes you happy and what makes you angry, and mold themselves to more precisely bring out pleasure in you to avoid punishment and abandonment.
Which brings the next point : hostage taking. This is a phenomenon where someone causes someone to be in constant fear that they will lose their place with you for a minor infraction. Threats of loss of love, divorce, suicide, etc. can all be ways that you are taken hostage.
Imagine being terrified every week that you don't know if the most important person in your life will leave you the instant you make a small mistake. That you will have to upend your life at any moment. In some cases, you could lose the roof over your head. Or your children. All for...not wearing gloves.
These types of abuse put the victim in an extended state of mental and physical high alert and executive function exhaustion which the body is not designed for, causing the stress reaction to become impaired in a condition known as complex post-traumatic stress disorder. I myself was diagnosed at the age of 24 with the condition due to abuse from my mother.
Just because itтАЩs not physically abusive doesnтАЩt mean itтАЩs not abuse. Emotional abuse exsists! The way he turned everything she said back around on her and made her the problem, controlled her etc. thatтАЩs crazy making! Years of that behavior creates CPTSD. ItтАЩs abuse, maybe not abuse you are familiar with or have experienced in your life but it is abuse.
No one is telling you that you didnтАЩt experience abuse, how would we know? CanтАЩt you suffer abuse while someone else is experiencing a lesser degree of abuse? Is anything less bad than what you have personally endured not considered abuse to you? It isnтАЩt a dick measuring contest about who has had it worse, with your personal experiences being the threshold for what constitutes as abuse. Holy shit man.
This is so many people's mentalities bc it's what their parents and grandparents taught them. This toxic view of: well I had it bad so you can have it bad too or I had it worse yours isn't as bad, is one of the longest bull shit stories in many cultures. We even do it to ourselves. Well it could have been worse so I should feel better. That completely disregards the emotions our brains are causing us to have and we wonder why everyone is walking about depressed or anxious.
I'm not writing this to be rude, but I'm writing this as a fellow human being - a concerned human. If you were raped and/or abused as a child (or any age) you desperately need therapy ---- not short term, but intensive therapy. I really hope you have received that, and I hope it is ongoing. The trauma that abuse, especially sexual abuse, causes at such a young age is so detrimental - I am begging you, please, please, please, lease get therapy. Please..... Please.. Like, I am literally begging you. Please. Please.
"Survivors of sexual assault can benefit from several types of psychotherapy including psychodynamic psychotherapy, TF-CBT, and EMDR. Processing abuse and trauma is a helpful and necessary step to recovery and is the main focus in these treatment modalities." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239557/)
Now, to talk about abuse. As everyone else has mentioned, there are different types of abuse - physical, sexual, mental, emotional.
Being controlling (especially very controlling) is one form of abuse - the only person you have real control over is yourself, and that should be enough. Everything else is an agreement, and broken agreements shouldn't cause such a reaction.
They only have one car, which I find astounding given their income. Nearly everyone middle class and above has one car per driving adult in the household, and when you get to upper class, it's very common for a 2 parent household to actually have 3 cars (one which they use as a collectable/hobby car/to flex etc) or more. The fact that they only have one car is very indicative that he is abusive and wants her to remain home all the time - what does she do while he's at work? My aunt is stay at home, traditional wife and didn't even have kids --- she has a car to run errands or go out, my uncle has his own car to go to work in, and they even have a third car that they inherited and keep as a spare for when their cars are in the shop. He certainly doesn't have as much money as Crowder. It is very common for abusive spouses to isolate their spouse as much as possible - not allowing them to work, have a car, or general independence is a big indicator of that. How can they leave if they don't have any of the means to do so? More so, the fact that she asked "who would you like me to call for a ride?" - WHAT ADULT has to ask their spouse who can give them a ride???? what?????? It's literally like she is at one point allowed privileges like a child, but also, like she is arguing with a controlling toddler - because, well, she is.
I too suffered with extreme anger, but after being medicated and getting therapy for many years, it's a lot better. It's still present at times, but I try my absolute best to never ever take it out on people/any living beings - sometimes I scream at my computer, sometimes I stomp my feet, sometimes I huff and call someone an asshole (if they're being an asshole), give them attitude, glutaral scream by myself/at the sky - but I never let it go beyond that. And I'm still working on it (and getting better).
Finally, here are some helpful links that outline various forms of non-physical abuse (they're written by experts, so far more credible than a comment section!):
"3. You are asked to check in with your partner at all times to let them know where you are and who you are with, even when spending time with close relatives." - he did that by saying "back when you're back isn't good enough" and her feeling the need to ask who she can get a ride from, and him saying uber --- not even a friend. Him demanding he needs to know the exact time.
"4. Your partner blocks you during conversations or changes the subject to reflect it onto you and your behavior." - ..... the entire video.
"6. Your partner makes you feel as if your feelings are wrong or don't matter." him saying she must do wifely duties, that she's not a devoted or committed wife etc.
"7. Your partner makes you apologize for what you didn't do." - she said I'm sorry and idk what even for.
"10. Your partner has heightened mood swings. One moment they may seem distant, the next, they are unavailable, and then they are loving. You may feel you don't know what to expect or what version of them you get, so you try to change your behaviors to receive love and affection, often to no avail." - entire video. Her saying I love you, and him saying I don't love you.
"15. Your partner has unrealistic expectations or standards and criticizes or harms you if you don't meet them."
"16. They invalidate you, claim you're too sensitive or emotional, refuse to accept your perceptions or opinions, and suggest you are wrong. "
"18. They use emotional blackmail through manipulation, being in control, lying, or using compassion, fear, and other emotions to control the situation."
"19. They act entitled or superior while acting condescending, using sarcasm, treating you as inferior, and acting as if they are always right."
"20. They control you through isolation by taking away possessions, making fun of your loved ones, or using envy or jealousy to keep you from others."
"Are you expected to drop what youтАЩre doing to meet
your partnerтАЩs needs?" "Do you have to account for all your time?" "Does your partner insist that everything is your fault?" "Do you have to ask permission to see or spend time with friends or family?" "Does your partner use violence or threats during an argument?" "Does your partner compare you negatively to others?" "Does your partner use тАЬguilt tripsтАЭ to manipulate you?"
Somehow, all of these things were present in a 3 minute clip - absolutely crazy.
If I somehow need to give you more --- I really can't, but google is free and easy to use.
Again, I do hope you get help. A child being abused is so serious and you desperately deserve and need help (not due to your behavior, but because abuse is so serious).
Being controlling absolutely CAN be abuse. ItтАЩs generally acknowledged that controlling behavior is a common first step in the timeline of many abusive relationships. Physical abuse is usually not far behind. We do not see physical abuse in this clip, but we do see verbal abuse and gaslighting. When we consider statistics, such as homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, we realize that we are not effing around here. This video is very troublesome. Not only is he arguing with her over a task (administering dog medication) that seems to be an inappropriate ask in the first place (toxic to preggos) he then spins her lack of compliance as a personal failure on her part as a wife, establishes himself as a victim who has been тАЬdisrespected,тАЭ and tries to prevent her from leaving (canтАЩt take the car). We see him becoming more agitated and angry as the clip goes on. She attempts to placate him, but ultimately he chases her into the house and says тАЬIтАЩm going to fuck you up.тАЭ Now, what part of this story sounds okay to you? To me his behavior screams DANGER. This is not a good guy. This is not a family man. This is another statistic waiting to happen.
Weaponizing your own pain to silence others is a really disgusting way to go about things, and you should probably get some help for that, rather than blaming anyone's nationality. Emotional abuse is not just an American concept.
She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years? You don't think she understood his views on marriage and expectations of traditional marriage roles? Yet she still married him.
I think she knew what she was getting into. She knew his expectations for having a traditional wife, and what those expected wifely duties were. I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right, however, I suspect there are two sides to this larger story and she isn't as innocent in all of this as she seems.
Actually, no... you do not know what people are like before you marry them. They're Christians, and they wouldn't have lived together. I think they were both virgins, too. So, she had no prior relationships, hadn't lived with him, etc. She had no clue. Your statement is retarded. He literally refuses to let her have a car and holds the use of the car over her head, until she "performs wifely duties" to his satisifaction. That's not a traditional relationship... that's some BDSM shit, and Crowder is a disgusting sadist. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw that.
People who look at this and see anything other than very abusive behavior need therapy. I say that as a VERY far right wing happily married woman.
I am probably more conservative than Steven Crowder because I don't like Trump.... and I'm a Christian and I can certainly say that this is abusive behavior. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.
IтАЩm not saying it isnтАЩt abusive behavior, and if this is the norm in their relationship, then Crowder needs help.
But 3 minutes isnтАЩt enough context. She could have been poking and prodding at him all week long and we would have no idea. Narcissists are deaths by a thousand cuts тАФ their victims lash out as their sanity is being taken from them.
I believe Crowder is likely the abuser because he exhibits behavior similar to my ex-wife with NPD, but IтАЩm still a reasonable person and understand 3 minutes is not enough context.
yes, and he could've been poking and prodding her couldn't he? In my experience with abusive people they are the ones who do the poking and prodding and needling hoping to get you to snap, and then they yell at you just like Crowder is doing to his wife.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldnтАЩt leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. IтАЩve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesnтАЩt make Crowder look good, thatтАЩs for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (thatтАЩs clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
A number of people in here who are defending Crowder claim to have been the victims of abuse themselves. And to them I say: well that just makes perfect sense. It's not surprising at all to me this does not seem like abuse to you; abuse has been normalized for you, so Crowder's behavior seems less outlandish. But while it may not elevate to the worst things you've experienced, that does not mean it's not abuse.
My experience is the opposite: I've never suffered abuse. I have loving parents, my dad NEVER spoke to my mom like that, they're still happily married in their 70s.
Thanks to past trauma, you are incapable of identifying abuse when you see it, because abuse has been normalized in your life. This means you're more likely to be the victim of abuse in the future. You need therapy.
I agree with this sentiment. I experienced extreme physical, psychological, and emotional abuse in my first marriage. I grew up in a neglectful and abusive household. I didn't know any different, and could not clearly differentiate between abuse and normalcy. This thread is very sad because there are so many people who cannot positively ID that something is tremendously wrong, and expect there to be a black and white abuser/victim dynamic. That someone is reactively abusing back, manipulating, or otherwise defending themselves in a long-term abuse situation does not mean they're not being abused. It means they engage their fight before they engage their flight or freeze. It's a trauma response. I have severe PTSD and I react very harshly to anyone being aggressive towards me, or I run. I used to freeze, and I think that's what earned me PTSD. It amazes me that abusers and abuse victims alike think the proper response is always a freeze response, in order to garner the status of being an abuse victim.
Dude, all IтАЩm saying is more information needed.
I will say, however, my most recent girlfriend, after my physically and emotionally abusive ex wife, I could not see myself doing the things in the video to. We just clicked тАФ we solved problems and arguments in a healthy way.
With my ex-wife on the other hand, I did lose my temper on occasion and said mean things I regret to this day. But those things came at a calculated time for her. She knew how to instigate and emasculate emotionally, and did it at strategic times to get what she wanted. She was amazing at playing the victim at the right time, and when the doors closed, a witch would come out to play.
Like I said previously, 3 minutes in my opinion is not enough time to determine who is the abuser. I believe one of them is an abuser. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying this. It is a totally reasonable thing to say and to attack such a neutral response is problematic in itself and rings alarm bells in my mind.
And IтАЩm in therapy, thank you. Bless Ken, heтАЩs the one who pulled me out of such a mess.
I just love this cognitive dissonance. "We have 3 minutes of Crowder's abusive behavior in plain sight, but we need more context before assume anything! Also, let's just assume all the bad things about the wife's behavior off camera for no fucking reason at all."
Where did I say that? IтАЩm saying Crowder is probably the abuser, but IтАЩd like to see more before a manтАЩs career is canceled.
YouтАЩre the one connecting dots IтАЩm not painting.
IтАЩm not saying his wife is abusive, IтАЩm saying we donтАЩt know.
EDIT: Also, as you say, youтАЩve never experienced abuse. I have. I know how sinister and insidious it can be. I know what itтАЩs like to be called the abuser when really youтАЩre the victim. Be blessed you can look at this video and immediately say Crowder is the abuser.
Let me explain something to you: I'm pretty fucking tired of conservatives giving the benefit of the doubt to "their guys" whenever one of them is caught on camera doing something horrible to someone, and always assuming the worst about the victims. They do this when unarmed and harmless black people are murdered by cops. Speak of the devil, Crowder himself LITERALLY did this when George Floyd was murdered: assumed the absolute best intentions from the cop who sat on his neck for 7 minutes, and the absolute worst intentions of Floyd himself. Thankfully the courts did not take Crowder's side on this.
WhatтАЩs on camera is terrible. I agree. Please see my recent edit above.
EDIT: Regarding George Floyd, what do you say to the people who say Chauvin did exactly what his departmentтАЩs procedures taught him to do? I hear he did everything by the book, but cannot verify it, but IтАЩm curious if he did what you would say then in this scenario.
you can be abusive in reaction to abuse that is certainly possible. it's the system that abusers like to set up for themselves. But if you listen to this thinking back to what Crowder said about his marriage just a few days ago you'll realize that his stories do not match up. He did not look like he had lost his temper in response to something she had done, he was just sitting there in the chair being a smart ass, berating, browbeating, insulting, demanding she do something that she feared was harmful in her condition (whether or not that was true, demanding she do it does not erase her fear) so it sounds like he's the NPD in this scenario.
He may or may not have. Abusive partners can often hide who they really are for years. Add to the fact that you can't always readily divorce someone in certain places, and it's entirely feasible that people pretend to be simeone they're not until they've trapped their partner, whether it be legally, socially, financially, etc..
Also, people can change.
None of this is really that hard to comprehend if you reflect a little harder and or do some "research" on abusive relationships.
Right! Because unless a man prostrates himself and God forbid, not ever argue with his wife, he's bad. Apparently, she's unemployed and doesn't take care of him as a wife should.
While I realize your tiny little baby brain doesn't have room for anything in between a man "prostrating himself" and outright abusing his wife, I hope you can understand that a healthy relationship lies somewhere between those two extremes.
She's carrying his fucking kids, loser. That's not only a job, it is the most important job on this earth. What Steven Crowder does is kind of fucking useless in the grand scheme, and his progeny won't give a fuck, but they'll appreciate his wife bearing them. Being pregnant is extremely hard and it can maim or kill you. It is a very high risk thing and used to be the #1 cause of death in women of child bearing age. It is still deadly.
Also, his wife isn't permitted to own a car, and he gets to decide when and if she uses "the family car"? Is that right? Nobody's allowed to pick her up to run errands until she slathers dangerous chemicals all over their dog at 8mos pregnant?
This isn't about submitting as a man... this is about an 8mo pregnant woman not being stomped all over and treated like a goddamn slave. Get help. You're mentally unwell. Seriously. There is a screw loose.
IтАЩm curious why people are shocked that you will jump to conclusions from a 3 minute video even after watching you jump to тАЬRun away, run away fast.тАЭ because someone points out there is no definitive abuse in that clip.
Threatening to fuck someone up is a crime in pretty much every civilized country. The fact that he did that over her trying to go buy GROCERIES show's how unhinged he is. Also, the "odd talk about gloves" is another example of his extreme unreasonableness. The medication was potentially harmful to his unborn children, and instead of being a protective husband and administering it himself to their dog - he was berating her for not taking the risk on herself. Along with screaming at her for not walking their active dog while she was 8 months pregnant - something he also should have taken on as getting up off a chair is already difficult enough at that stage and she was pregnant with TWINS. He's insane and was being an awful and threatening partner to his wife during her most vulnerable time. That's sick and intolerable.
Saying I'll fuck you up or other stupid mid argument comments is not a crime anywhere I know of.
I've said worse without meaning it literally.
I'm willing to believe he may be abusive. I'm just saying I won't accept it based on one 3 min clip with no context and the fact that I don't like his politics.
I like to force myself to be objective in these situations and not do what most people here are doing on either side: decide with their emotions not logic based on who's team they were on before.
Nothing you mentioned is abuse. It's being an asshole.
The old internet trope of arguing with a position someone doesn't hold is still alive n well I see. Lol
Nice to know I didn't miss anything
I don't think it's ok.
I just don't think being mean to somone during an argument gets to share the same term as raping beating and mentally torturing or manipulating...I think if you conflate the two you make people take the term less seriously...which is what happened to "depression" the terms now lost all potency from overuse.
I think it's bad for victims of abuse to risk watering down these terms.
Hey, a lot of people in this thread are being dumb-assholes who aren't actually explaining what is wrong here. It is absolutely asshole behaviour to just call you an idiot when you clearly want a detailed explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about. So let me explain it for you; and as a preamble to that I'll tell you my credentials to make this explanation.
I am now in my early 20s and am in a good place up until quite recently, this was not the case... At the age of around 5-6 my mother found out that my father had been sexually abusing me and my siblings. we went through several years of court, horribly traumatic. During this time, my mother became part of a sort of cult. She became very devoted and made sure we were too. I believed until around 13, I then did not want to be a part of it. I got into numerous arguments with my mother, and eventually I made it clear I didn't believe in her beliefs. From there she became ever more controlling. As a boy growing up, around the age of 12 she made me bleach my facial hair because her "baby was growing up too fast." The fumes burned my eyes and I didn't want to do it. She didn't let me cut my hair and we were in an isolated location so I had nowhere to go. My mom was never overtly physically abusive, but she was one of the most manipulative people I have ever met in my life. I know exactly what verbal manipulation and abuse looks like. I was aware of her abusive tactics for at least 5 or more years before I was able to escape.
The behaviour Crowder displays here is extremely similar to what I experienced. Making love conditional, or trying to control how it is expressed. Isolating the victim so they are trapped. (Be serious, Crowder owns a multi-million dollar house, and makes millions per year but he only has 1 fucking car?) He expects his wife to do all these duties but also somehow not with the car? She is at the peak of her pregnancy, many people cannot even move, or get extremely tired in that state. But he expects her to walk the dogs, do all these chores, possibly expose their unborn children to harmful chemicals in the dog medication, while he sits there smoking a fucking cigar.
He is not being mean to her, he is being extremely threatening. He is the 'breadwinner' which is how he wants it to be in their relationship because he's a classic conservative. The problem is he expects, since he has all the money, he can simply order his wife around to do absolutely everything for him. Being mean or even an asshole would be making her do the dishes after she cooked him dinner in her state of pregnancy. At that point she really shouldn't be expected to do anything, her job is to keep her body in a state that is healthiest for the children. If that is what her job is, then by his own ideology, he should be protecting his wife and kids right? She could literally die if there were complications due to the pregnancy, she is clearly distressed here. Stress is one of the #1 things that can cause complications, he is being a massive piece of shit and possibly endangering his wife and unborn children's lives. He is causing her physical pain through stress caused by verbal abuse. It is much easier to be in pain from emotional turmoil when you're pregnant. He is literally harming her, not just being 'mean'. Even if this was a completely isolated incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still abusive behaviour. Abuse does not necessarily need to be chronic, if I was a parent and I hit my child with a wrench, would that not be considered abuse? Would it not be indicative of other possible abuse? Some people may see it as discipline, but causing physical or mental harm to vurlnerable people is certainly abusive.
Obviously she is her own person and she can also do things for herself, but she should be ensuring that their unborn twins are kept safe at such a critical time. She is trying to do that, but being degraded by him, which is causing her stress, which is harmful to her health and her children's health. This is absolutely abusive behavior, it is manipulative behaviour. This is not being just 'mean' to someone.
This is not an example of conflating terms, sure, people may over exaggerate, but each case should always be taken seriously when someone claims abuse. In this case, there is literal video evidence of abusive behaviour. No matter which way you look at it, this is absolutely unnacceptable behaviour for a husband to exhibit to his wife. Especially when she is that pregnant.
I'm not calling you an idiot, or anything like that, I am telling you that you need to reevaluate how you define or percieve a situation like this. A 'short' video like this can absolutely display abusive behaviour, then it is up to whatever investigative forces to see if said abuse is chronic. In these kinds of cases it usually is, and based on other things in the article, I am inclined to believe it so. I will rescind that statement if further evidence says otherwise. I will however, not rescind my statement about this video showing abuse, it absolutely does.
You know absolutely know about psychology and the various branches of it and it shows. You also think you're somehow better than everyone and no one should call out your stupidity.
Him being an asshole isn't what ppl are calling abuse. Its the tactics he was using to try & get her to do what he wanted that is abusive. I think you should prob look into what gaslighting looks like, what psychological abuse in a romantic relationship looks like. You're hesitant bc it was just a 3 min clip w no context but here's the thing... You don't need a ton of context to know that how he was treating her, the twisting of what she would say, turning things back to him, making her out to be the selfish one who doesn't care about him, not being "worthy", all of that is textbook emotional abuse within a romantic relationship. Steven clearly wants to control ppl around him & his wife was no exception. He is very calm in that clip, he's not shouting or shrieking, which is often more terrifying. You can tell she was trying to keep the peace & set her own boundary but he refused to see it & made it about himself & gasli the hell outta her.
I can promise anyone that if I told you in a parking lot that I would fuck you up, you would quickly call the Police right after pissing your pants. The internet tough guy smart ass thing only works in fantasy land. Act like that towards an actual man.
Dude you were one of the first people on here to comment and defend his behavior, so now tell me who wants to blow things out of proportion and be dramatic?
Oh look. Another scaredy-cat terrified of leaving his house without his security blanket. Trigger-happy people like you are a danger to society and need to stay home.
Hey get this, I live in fucking Texas and I have called the cops on an abusive and mentally ill family member after they went on a rampage destroying the house and literally while on the phone with the operator they were actively threatening to fuck me up if I didn't put the phone down. Guess what happened? Somebody got slapped with a class a misdemeanor and spent some time in jail. Wanna know where he is now? Oceans behavioral hospital.
Ahh, found the closeted homosexual hater who routinely uses derogatory comments against gays to make his points about how much better he is than тАЬless moralтАЭ people
ItтАЩs very much so abuse, and he was threatening her. Threatening people here in AMERICA can land you in all kinds of hot water, especially if they are your spouse. All of that falls under the umbrella of domestic abuse. If youтАЩre going to come on here and cosplay as an American then maybe you should know what the fuck youтАЩre talking about. IтАЩm sorry you were very clearly terribly abused as a child, but YOU do not get to decide what abuse is or whether or not what he did is harmful, thatтАЩs not how this works. I guarantee most mental health professionals, social workers, cops are lawyers would most certainly see his behavior as domestic abuse. He doesnтАЩt have to put hands on her to be an abusive piece of shit, heтАЩs already accomplishing that by making unreasonable demands and telling her sheтАЩs not allowed to use the car. This is America, itтАЩs a free country and being his wife she had just as many rights to that car as he did. It was a classic isolation technique he was using.
What is with all "there's no context" drivel here? There's plenty of context in this video. And it's basically impossible to remain objective when presented with video evidence of someone angrily insulting their pregnant wife (while smoking a cigar next to.....yeah, his -pregnant wife-) while also breaking her down and attempting to strip away her agency.
And yes. verbally threatening your spouse with physical violence ("I'll fuck you up") is illegal.
Actually it is. It is illegal to threaten serious bodily harm to another, even if sheтАЩs your wife who is about to go get you groceries without your permission, while seven months pregnant with your children.
ItтАЩs called Verbal ABUSE and leads to all sorts of mental /emotional problems by those who receive it. His demeaning way of speaking to her, throwing accusations & not really allowing her to respond without interrupting her in an escalatory way causes her to just try to placate him until she gets into a safe placeтАжShe tryтАЩs to keep her responses short & non escalatory.
Thanks for putting your words to my thoughts. I am Livid with this 'less than a' man and will expose his egregerious behaviour to all friends and family!
The author of the article claims to have heard audio of Steven Crowder admitting he told his wife he'd fuck her up.
Sorry, but it's gonna take better evidence than that to convince me.
Seems like a rather important part of the story. If the video/audio actually existed - I'd expect it to be included in the article rather than simply being alluded to in the article - and annotated in the video.
It's fascinating how you won't believe a video, won't believe the article, but will believe anything that exculpates your abusive idol.
Consider that Steven would be able to sue Yashar for defamation if Yashar were manufacturing this information, and consider that he has not and will not.
Consider that you are doing mental gymnastics trying to justify abuse.
If the "I'll fuck You up" part happened after he followed her into the house then it stands to reason it wouldn't have been caught on the outdoor patio ring camera. If there isn't video footage of him saying it, but there's some kind of evidence (given to the author of the article by her family as I understand it) of him admitting to & acknowledging that he said it, then how do you expect there to be footage of it? We don't always get to have all the evidence in situations. That's why in court as a juror for instance you're told to use your experience, your common sense, critical thinking, & logic to look at the evidence you do have & come to a decision. No one is suggesting solely from this 3 min clip that Steven is all evil & HC is "innocent" of any wrong doing. We're looking at a several minutes long clip (longer than viral clips of Karens being accused of racism that are taken at face value) & we're saying "this encounter, how he spoke to her & how he demeaned & belittled & gaslit her are indicative of emotional abuse. In that moment no matter what HC said beforehand Steven was being abusive. And those aren't tactics someone just starts using randomly. Ppl who use the tactics Steven used are skilled at using them...as he was. He was calm. She was showing signs of panic. That tells me she has seen this behavior before & was trying to appease him. It tells me he doesn't like to be challenged & will manipulate those around him to get what he wants. So whether or not they're both abusive isn't really the issue in this clip. Maybe she's just as bad. But it doesn't excuse what he did or said.
Get out now!!!! But prepare an escape plan with some close friends and familyтАж. Try to set up your own bank account for survival needs. This creep will probably get vicious and vengeful so get an attorney for legal advice and defense. Stay off social media or block him , get friends to do the same. This guys fucked up
I know this from 1st hand experience with cops. They specifically stated that a one time threat like that is not something that you can do anything about.
Abuse isn't just physical. Mental and emotional abuse is when you use words, emotions and threats of violence to coerce, control, and manipulate your partner to get what you want. It starts with abuse in the first thing he says. "I drew a boundary." Boundaries are explicitly about what the boundary setter will and will not do - it is not about what other ppl do. When it's a healthy expression about other ppls actions it is often called an "expectation", which ppl are not obligated to fulfill. Here instead his "boundary" is that she is not to use the car. I wouldn;t even say it's a healthy expression of an expectation. Realistically, it seems to be a "command" which he is enforcing. All of this is to say, he cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. This also makes us wonder about the material conditions of this household and who has access to what. Consider: Why is there only one car? Abusers control your access to the outside world. The fact that they only have one car in the first place, (apparently?) is suspicious. It seems like a way to control. And it clearly is about control!
Because, why can't she take the car right now? there are no signs that he is going anywhere. In fact, he offers to go do the exact same thing she is trying to go do. he tells her to take an uber. so, why can't he take an uber if it's that easy? Probably because he knows she wouldn't feel safe - and she clearly does not like the option. Which is reasonable!! if somebody is going to take the uber it should be whoever is stuck at home without the car, obviously, who needs to get somewhere desperately. In practice, he is just keeping her stuck there with him - or at least making the ways to leave very difficult or unpleasant.
The tone when he says "watch it. fucking watch it." is said like a threat. It is an obvious threat of violence and control and made worse by the fact he apparently has a volcanic temper with a much larger, stronger body. that's scary! (and it's the point, i think) What's more, the thing he chose to give a threat about: if a partner tells you they think you're being emotionally abusive, you dig into why - you don't threaten them into silence.
The context for the gloves is in the article. He wanted her to give medicine to the dogs even though she was uncomfy with it. She thought it might be dangerous to pregnant women. Instead of accepting this, because there's no reason the pregnant woman should be doing this, he chooses to be manipulative and controlling. he says essentially "if you don't do as i asked, giving the dogs medicine, then you are a bad and uncommitted wife" even though neither of those things are true, obviously. she is scared of the medicine, and she doesn't HAVE to be the one to give it to the dogs. there are lots of reasons she wouldn't want to give the dogs medicine that don't reflect on her ability as a wife. he is using her desire to be a good wife against her to control her behavior.
after she tries to leave and deescalate the situation he follows her, berating her and talking down to her about her quality as a wife. And over what? she wants to use the singular car and she is uncomfortable giving medicine to the dogs. He may not like those things, but the way he expresses this and the actions he takes to make it better are abusive and manipulative. He cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. He makes out "disobedience" of what he wants her to do into a moral failing and starts chasing her to keeping hammering home how awful she is even though she's trying to deescalate.
That's just what we can see in the video. The article states they have sources saying he is explosively angry, has threatened her overtly (rather than implictly as we see in the video), and released a public statement about how, if it was his choice alone, there would be no divorce. He even goes after no fault divorce. Forcing someone to stay in a marriage with you is abuse. Fantasizing about it is fantasizing about abuse. it's sick.
inb4 u say something like "i've basically done all these things or similar. Am i an abuser" The answer is yes.
That's basically what I came here to say and you hit on the key issues. They seem well to do so the fact that they only have one car is highly suspicious. If she were a habitual reckless driver or something, that probably would have come up in their discussion about her taking the car. So it really does seem like an abusive situation, with him trying to micromanage her life and reacting with extreme anger when things don't go the way he thinks they should.
The fact that he expected her to handle potentially dangerous medication while pregnant is a huge red flag too. What kind of man doesn't try to protect his wife and children, and instead puts them at risk for his own convenience?
Somebody mentioned he may have had surgery recently that would make it dangerous for him also. Of course he could try the glove approach himself since he seems so certain it'd be protective enough. Regardless, denigrating her because of her discomfort with doing it is unnecessary. There are even potential options like a friend of family member helping them out. It doesn't have to be her - he only insists on it bc he doesn't like she told him no.
It's a very coherent and well-written post, Ray. You can just admit to everyone else you don't have a real rebuttal and that you support Crowder being abusive.
Currently happily married for over 15 years with 2 kids. Right about being divorced before in a previous marriage so I speak from experience that I actually know what I am talking about. I can see the disingenuous scorned wife acting for the camera a mile away in prep for a divorce. If you can't see it then it goes to the point of my previous comment.
"from 2021" and your point? Are you this clueless? People plan for a divorce long before they get one. Like planning your escape from prison. People want their partner to be blamed for why the marriage failed. So they are not embarrassed around their friends and family when they all learn you are getting a divorce. People have the incentive to have their partner to look bad like the claim of abuse to get a higher settlement in the divorce proceedings. You need proof of that while the marriage is still going not after separation. Get a clue will ya!
Depending on the context and seriousness of it I would agree that it could be very wrong to say that. Nothing he said on camera was any where to that level. So I am to believe he went from a 1 to a 10 in 5 seconds based on the word of some heavily biased person writing this unbalanced one-sided article?
Your words since none of them are true against me have no effect on me. My words are truthful and have clearly hit a truthful nerve with you and clearly made you very triggered. Sorry.
Have you considered not holding so much anger and hate? I promise you will have a much happier life. People holding so much anger only hurt themselves. That was my honest helpful advice.
No marriage is perfect they are lots of work. No one is completely happy. My wife is not trying leave me and divorce me. We don't have any serious issues with the marriage.
My advice speaks for itself. What I said is sound advice. Have you ever tried what I said. You want happiness in life then be thankful for what you have and not what you don't have. I am giving you life hacks.
Being a fan of Crowder or not has nothing to do with this. If you don't see the manipulation by this women and believe this heavily biased narrative of him being abusive then clearly you are gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant.
Sorry your father treated you and your mother like shit and you think this is normal. What was he? A drunk? Or maybe he diddled you. Hope you get the therapy you obviously need.
There's like five of them SO ANGRY we don't consider mean words to share a category with rape and assault...coz mean words are awful....then they hurl abuse and mean words at people!!! lol
They can't even talk like adults. They have the maturity of 9 year olds.
Your hypocrisy and having no argument but the very verbal abuse you say is unacceptable says it all about how seriously you should be taken
Bro you know studies show that the psychological damage taken from verbal abuse is the same as in sexual and physical abuse? Just because it doesn't leave a physical scar doesn't mean damage wasn't done.
Unless you think abuse can only be abuse if someone is physically assaulted
I take a literalist and legalistic view on what you call abuse in a marriage. Crowder is 100 percent guilty of being a controlling and manipulative abuser. And not only that, but he showed no remorse even going as far as lying about the divorce, blaming it all on his ex, on his show.
That was abuse. Its the same shit my dad used to do, minus the physical assults and holding us hostage.
Guess what?
Neither of his children, nor his ex wife obviously, nor his immediate family wants anything to do with him. He has gotten banned from his own grandmothers home after years of her making excuses for his poor temper like the above.
You would have to be extremely emotionally weak and fragile if that exchange between the disingenuous wife and Crowder speaking up about their marriage issues counts as abusive.
There could be many reasons why like a second car was in the shop or he was reducing costs with just having one car. I went without any car at one time myself. Not because I could not afford one but to save money as I traveled for work and barely needed a car for only on the weekends at most. We lack facts to make any judgment.
Once again you are jumping to conclusions without the real facts. Clearly one car did not stop her from using it that day. The lack of a second car is what left him being the one stuck at home.
The fact that you think it's normal and acceptable to scream that you're going to fuck up your pregnant wife after preventing her from leaving the house really shows how unfit you are for civilization.
Mental & psychological abuse are abuse. Also you may not view telling your spouse they "aren't worthy" as verbal abuse but i think most people would. It was textbook abuse what he did to her in that clip.
I was just following the lead of the Democrats - blaming the church and society in general when an unhinged lunatic trans chick went on a murderous rampage.
Pussy ass little bitch was your reply to you must hate men... seriously... You are the worst victim on here. A woman calling any man a pussy ass bitch over that comment is abusive. Your abuse. Just like the hundreds of other times you take any opportunity you can to lash out. Fuck the American woman. A monument to hypocrisy and entitlement. You go fuck yourself. Pray the social contract holds. Otherwise you WILL abide by nature. You're like meerkat telling lions to sit down. To men who do not hurt you physically but tell you No, you owe all of them an apology and respect because they work and give there lives for women every day. . Ugh sickening you are. Making it worse and lying about it
You know whatтАЩs sickening? Men like you who think women are less than them. Men like you who think itтАЩs a womanтАЩs job to take care of them and see to all their wants and needs. ItтАЩs sickening that a grown ass man can watch that clip and find nothing wrong with it. ItтАЩs sickening that a grown ass man would think itтАЩs acceptable to talk to anyone the way that piece of shit talked to his wife. ItтАЩs sickening that thereтАЩs backward ass thinking men like you still out being a menace to society. I donтАЩt know what your тАЬyou will abide by natureтАЭ comment means, but you can shove that right up your misogynistic ass. The fucking 1800s called, they want their outdated way of thinking back. And by the way, you wouldnтАЩt like it in my world, because where I work, IтАЩm the boss and the men have to listen to me. Oh to be a female in power these days. Better pray you never meet one like me.
You need serious help. Your abusive bullshit would escalate any man. Then you would push it further like a coward, over a car payment or some other stupid thing you think you are owed. You can piss yourself you're so mad....it doesnt change THE FACT that that CLIP was not abuse. You want it to be so you have a reason to justify being mad at all men. Because yes...you do hate men. All men
You certainly were my bitch last night while I was pegging your ass with my strap on. Jason loves to hate women but also loves to be fucked in the ass by one wearing a dildo
Oh shit I'm so afraid to reply to this sexist nonsense right here
(from a non abuse clip) because you might pin me as an abuser... Oh lord what will we do, she is diagnosing again. Put the wine down so you can type what a narcissist sociopath I amЁЯШЫЁЯШВ it's laughable anymore...so few women truly "abused" most of you are just angry little hypocrites that can just spread for the next guy who will happily buy your half truths to get laid..
I'm just enjoying the collective shitfit the six or seven very busy Crowder fans are having here, tying themselves in knots trying to justify a clip where a guy abuses his heavily pregnant wife lol
Jason, it doesn't really matter if you believe it's abuse or not, the Texas Penal Code defines it as assault. It's not legal to tell someone that you will "fuck them up" - even in Texas.
Ask your wife how she feels about you defending a guy who threatened his pregnant wife.
No, a person (who you are stepping in as) ...has to be in fear. In this situation, in court you would lose. "Fuck them up" could mean a lot of things. People say that before sporting events. I can see your agenda. Won't work here. The guy is an asshole, but people like you make mountains from mole hills because it bolsters your false empathy.
I see you're committed to dying on the hill of "a clear and obvious threat isn't a threat". Maybe you should make such a threat in front of an officer and see how it goes for you. You would definitely own me so hard if you did that.
I don't see any. I see an angry woman acting like an angry woman. This is why, as a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Dude, you don't think the WAY he was speaking to her was abusive? Forget what he was talking about "dogs & cars & gloves" the fact is he was belittling her, gaslighting her, turning things around on her?
The article references audio & documentary evidence of Steven admitting to having a temper, difficulty controlling his rage, & being in therapy & you think there is no context for the allegation of abuse? This is classic emotional & psychological abuse my man.
It's perfectly possible to have an argument with one's spouse that isn't abusive. This wasn't just an argument - it was abuse. And you know it is, because you definitely wouldn't let someone else speak to your wife that way.
You implied this by responding to criticism of Steven belittling and gaslighting his wife with a comment mocking the belief that a man wasn't allowed to argue with his wife, which suggests that you think being abusive and being argumentative are equivalent. If you had believed otherwise, then you would have directly refuted their criticism of Steven being abusive instead of deliberately misinterpreting their comment as criticism of Steven for arguing with his wife.
The only one making a strawman argument here is you.
If that was not the implication in your post, what was the message you were trying to convey when you posted "How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!"
Thanks for at least trying to be civil (you're the only one).
The way he talked to her was petulant and disgraceful.
I don't think it should be called 'abuse' because I think we should have learned a lesson from our well meaning attempts to spread mental health awareness last ten years...that when you over use these terms for lesser levels of problems you water the terms down and the public treats then less seriously then not seriously at all.
Real psychological abuse is too subtle to show up on a small video clip it's not something you can represent easily that's why it's so maddening (I speak from experience of all the kinds of abuse).
I thnk the USA goes too far tossing alarmist term around, then it spreads to us in Europe and then the term loses its shock and potency.
Maybe this is too conplex an argument for hysterical liberals who make all their opinions based on emotion but I've seen it before.
"I have depression" used to be a v serious thing to say. People would put their coffee down and put their arm around you...worried.
Now it's completely lost all its power because people toss the word around so much and it's not taken seriously.
Look at "genocide" in politics..in the 90s it was used to refer to trying to exterminate a group of people..now activists use it to refer to people disagreeing with a policy on trans people.
Watering the term down hurts victims in the long run because it normalised it and makes it seem common
Anyway I gotta go it's nearly midnight here and I have a job to get up to in 6 hours where unlike some of these other keyboard warriors I actually help real 'domestic' violence victims in the real world. It's harder than clicking a like and saying stuff, amazingly.
Plenty of people have engaged you civilly, which is difficult to do when one of the parties of the argument is handwaving away obvious abuse. Each of your posts is pretty obviously an attempt at gaslighting people into not seeing the obvious verbal abuse on the video and ignoring the actual threats made by Crowder that he himself has admitted to making.
Anyways, gaslighting is a technique repeatedly used by abusers, so this frankly tracks with all the replies to your comments that have correctly identified you as using the language and tactics of an abuser. Coincidentally, this also aligns with you repeatedly defending the abuser and not the victim.
So maybe just take a seat and stop trying to pretend that you're the victim in this thread.
Ryan, you are either trolling, disingenuous, or a psychopath. For the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in a relationship with you, I hope it's the former.
That's maybe the 20th message from your side of the argument here and none of you engaged the substance of my argument one but you just resort to and honinum attacks and the very verbal abuse you say is not ok.
If it's not ok for Crowder to lose his cool with his wife in spur of the moment and say mean stuff why is it ok for you to do it to a stranger who was the victim of the very kind of abuse you claim to have such concern about?
Is it because this has nothing to do with your empathy for abuse victims and more that it's just a fun way to dance on the PR grave of someone from the 'other team' (Crowder).?
I think that's all it is. Someone who was consistent in their principles and had genuine empathy for victims of abuse would not read this from somone who said "hey former victim of physical abuse here..I don't get why this verbal stuff should share a category with what I went through...can you explain that argument to me?" ...then respond with abuse and name calling and 'cute' statements about them personally.
yeah because a women who's prego with a stomach bigger than 2 watermelons.... should have to walk their dogs and bend down and pick up dog shit. When the perfectly able body husband who is chilling at home can't be bothered. Make it make sense.
He is controlling barking orders telling her she needs to be disciplined and respectful and become "worthy of a wife" like she is a child, and not his partner. In the video it stated inside he said "I will fuck you up" If thats not abuse you're smoking something or trying to manipulate whats obvious.
I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse.
I know psychological abuse can be subtle so outsiders can't see it, and this gaslights the victim sometimes driving them crazy. It's just that:
1. I'm not seeing either type here
2. You can't judge based on one 3 min clip with no context released on purpose by one of the disputing parties...how can anyone think that's either representative or likely to provide an accurate picture??
What context do you need to determine whether what he was doing would qualify as abuse? Like what determines that in your mind? How is it not psychological abuse to tell your spouse they aren't worthy? I just don't understand how you could watch that & not think "damn that's messed up Steven"... Allowing his rage at what he views as disrespect by her, disrespect he believes he's due as her husband, to control him is what i saw. He expects a certain level of respect & submission by her & when he thinks he isn't getting he lashes out & tries to control what she does by ridiculing & belittling her. She said she loves him and he throws it back & says "if u loved me you would submit". He talks about her needing to think about "discipline". What do you think that is about if not an attempt to change her behavior for his own benefit? Its very narcissistic abuse like behavior in my opinion.
The people asking for more context in this thread are generally not arguing in good faith and are simply using it as a means to deflect away any valid criticism of Crowder.
"I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse."
This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that you've experienced such abuse means it's normalized to you. So when you see Crowder's behavior like this, it seems relatively benign to you. But this IS abuse, even if it does not elevate to some of the worst things you've experienced. It's not normal, it's not okay. There's a reason she's divorcing him.
Coming from the opposite angle: my dad--probably the most masculine person I've ever known, hard-working, ran a construction business, built dozens of homes--NEVER spoke to my mom like that. They're still happily married in their 70s.
What you need is therapy. If you cannot see abuse for what it is, you are likely to continue to be the victim of it.
The fact that you've experienced abuse, but cannot see this for that is clear evidence that you're in no position to make that judgment. You haven't received the therapy or insight you need to stop perpetuating abusive environments. When you are abused, you are attracting it and tolerating it. A lot of that has to do with an inability to see it for what it so clearly is. I have been through life threatening abuse, and I sought a LOT of therapy to help me parse through it. I really think you should do the same. Maybe you coming to this thread, and getting all of the negative feedback you're getting is a sign from God that this is something you need to heal and start seeing more clearly.
I think we can stop responding to Chandra now guys. Not only is she repeating herself to the point of spam with irrelevant info about her own personal history but she can't have an adult discussion without resorting to sounding like some crack ho on a corner in jersey.
She's just spamming the same sentence "daughter of a murdered ." Followed by curses and abuse a half dozen times over n over
It would be nice to see, for once, some intellectual consistency. If Crowder's words are unacceptable abuse for saying 'fuck you up' then so is this. We've just tried to have a civil discussion and got nothing but name calling and abuse
I am content to punish it by just not engaging but by the authors standards they suggest we accept she should be deleted or blocked.
Shock me with some consistent principles.
You people really are something. "Verbal abuse is terrible except when I do it fuck you fuck you!"
> Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
Yes. The article mentioned several employees who used work for Crowder describing him as fostering "cult-like" behavior in his workplace while also being extremely intolerant of dissent.
His YouTube channel is also a great place to look. For a guy who uploaded a clip of him essentially parodying the murder of George Floyd, it is really not unreasonable to deduce that the asshole he presents himself as on his channel translates to the way he presents himself in his marriage.
> What's the context here?
What context do you think would have made what he said acceptable?
I don't see much in the article either but the article wouldn't be proof
Have we not learned from the scandals about the Trump Russia conspiracy theory, the stuff out today from the twitter files about the pharma lobby donations, the WMD scandal with bush...the 'Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian op' stuff being made up ...that you can't trust something automatically just because it's posted by a journalist
The trump Russia stuff was not a conspiracy. muller couldn't do what he wanted to do because he believed you cannot indict a sitting president. There was plenty of collusion from people on his campaign. Trump pardoned some of them. muller was clear that you could indict him for some of that stuff after he leaves office.
Also, considering the instruction that they pulled against the Mueller investigation, you can't be sure that there was nothing to it. This is why obstruction is in itself a crime. If you successfully cover up a crime to the point where it cannot be prosecuted, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen.
sally this article is from over a FUCKING YEAR AGO so forgive me for taking a few days to get back to you. perhaps consider my comment may have contained some sarcasm that you, responding to a discussion FROM OVER A FUCKING YEAR AGO, may not be picking up on
Never, but thatтАЩs not how he said that from other posters and tbh, I didnтАЩt even hear that.
Can you point to the time stamp pls, so I can hear it?
My wife and I have been together for 20yrs. SheтАЩs kicked me in the balls and I dragged her down a flight of stairs for it. SheтАЩs told me she wanted me dead and I told her I hated her.
We love each other to pieces and would never do anything to really hurt the other. People are dynamic, they get angry, shit happens.
We have just as much love and fun times, way more in fact. We both see this world as basically beyond saving.
Always apologize if we mistreat one another. Life goes on. This was nothing.
Our children, life, homeтАж they mean so much more to both of us than any stupid words said in frustration.
This is literally nothing.
The wife is sus, as would be crowder if he released it and she had told him sheтАЩd like to kill him.
He admitted to saying it, which is included in the article you apparently didn't read before scrolling straight to the culture war section at the bottom.
How would you react if someone else told your wife that they would "Fuck her up"?
The medicine he wants her to pick up is toxic to pregnant women, and she's quite obviously pregnant in the video. Not to mention the language he uses is very commanding and lacks any and all respect and civility.
Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
What's the context here?
Ladies, if a man you're interested in watches this video and asks "where's the abuse," run away. Run away fast.
I am a conservative and traditional tough guy husband, but even I agree. If you don't see abuse here, you are a problem.
I'm a woman and I see her as manipulative as him.
She's a victim of domestic abuse. How do you want her to behave? She tries to appease him by telling him she loves him and is committed to him. That's what scared victims do.
Yep, it's no different if a man was dealing with a wife threatening to harm themselves or something emotionally abusive such as that. You pretty much tell them what they want to hear in the moment until you can make yourself and others in a safe position. She's not manipulating, she's surviving.
Except she wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear; the argument continued.
Using the "i love you" was just deflection about the real problem, and we don't know what the real problem is by this video alone.
You canтАЩt be this goddamn stupid
There's camera's littered on their property, for good reason because of potential outside threats. This is the worst they could find and it's all edited (you can clearly see cuts in the video) to make him look as bad as possible and this was the worst they could find? Use your brain. This is a big nothingburger. You can't be this goddamn stupid.
found the guy who beats his wife.
I'm not a guy.
We do not have a clear story, whether you like it or not.
There are a lot of phrases that, even taken out of context, shouldn't be said to your spouse or any other human being in a relationship. Also, his tone is demeaning and superior. There's no affection coming from him, it's like he's talking to a servant.
There's *one* cut that I can see, and you have no idea if this is *the worst they could find*. And if you don't think it's bad, that's a you problem. You're way in the minority here.
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
oh f*ck the f*ck off already, you nazi pos.
You make a comment like that and then call Crowder abusive? Hypocrite much?
the real problem is that he's abusive, and you're a moron defending it.
i hope all the women around you know how dangerous you are.
You are a goddamned idiot.
Yet another abuser abusing other commenters.
It is hypocritcal. I notice it, too.
You are SO full of shit on every level.
She tries to avoid the actual conversation and her actions by saying she loves him, irrelevant to the conversation and an attempt to gain high ground.
if you want to say that she is doing that, he is doing it times 1000. He can walk his own dogs for crying out loud she's eight months pregnant.
fellas, is it abusive for you wife to tell you she loves you??
Jewish messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for almost two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. These are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond race, people, culture) and that are the daily sustenance of our schools, in the media, in our pop culture, at our universities, and on our streets have our biosymbolic identity and our ethnic pride reduced to their minimal expression.
f*ck off, useless eater.
тАЬThey are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blonde hair, I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not become deadly to the human race. They have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. They deserve to be punished, for this is their destiny. The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred towards all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous; cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity.тАЭ
тАФ Fran├зois-Marie Voltaire,
Lettres de Memmius ├а Cic├йron (1771)
no one gives a f*ck what you or your fellow nazi pigs have to say. now f*ck off.
Uh. Lot
Love how you just invent shit out of the blue. She wants to take the car and will be back "whenever". He has a set schedule because he is a media mogul in high demand.
But bless your little heart for trying.
then he can take an Uber or buy a second car. She's fucking 8 months pregnant
Nothing in this video indicated that - at this moment in time - he was scheduled to the second. In the time he took to berate her, he could have done the dog's meds and walked them both.
I am not saying this is a fair assessment of their overall relationship, but he is not looking good here at all.
Why do they only have one car anyway? That's weird in itself and will leave one of them stranded at any point the other takes the car. He does act like a total douchebag though. She shouldn't be giving the meds to the dog if it could hurt the babies plus he wasn't there for their birth. Total douchebag and she's better off without him for sure.
A millionaire who talks to his wife like that and only has one car is a controlling abuser. I am ashamed I paid for mug-club
Yes, he looked so busy sitting around smoking a cigar.
and that's why you think abusing women is fine.
Do you realize how faulty your thinking is (or your lack of thinking is).
You proved you can't clearly reason because you just assume someone noticing her manipulations means they are 'fine' with abusing women. That is a huge leap.
And no, I'm not on the me too bs bandwagon.
You referring to to her appeasement behavior as manipulation makes my skin crawl.
No, it isn't. Neither is calling this abuse in any way. Thanks for trying though.
Roosh?? Are you back?
Roosh?? Are you back?
Correct because women are the victims 100% of the time and men are the abusers 100% of the time and women are perfect in every way and men are trash. Good luck being alone the rest of your life.
No one said that. She's 8 months pregnant with twins. He's being a selfish a$$hole and seems to enjoy her exhaustion both physically and emotionally. That is what a sick person does.
Yep, she was so exhausted, that she wanted to go the store and come back "whenever."
you are an insufferable human being who has nothing better to do than berate a woman you don't even know online
I haven't berated anyone. In fact, the people accusing crowder of abuse have posted very abusive comments.
So, you're another one who can't see clearly and hysterically accuses me of 'berating' someone.
Baseless comments like these are why rational people just don't believe people like you.
Orrr, you're interpreting this video based on your own biases, taking cover behind your own alleged but unproved "rational" mind, and ignoring the article that follows the video for some reason.
she's right though, you're an asshole.
lol, such bs.
Why are you so loyal to a random media figure who doesn't know you exist?
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
been married once, for 30+ years, still going, and absolutely women are not always the victims. But I'm not sure what that has to do with this case where she clearly is the victim.
Wow, was divorce court rough for you too? So sad.
you seen upset
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
based on what hes saying it sounds like shes cheated on him, and what he said...not that bad for someone who is apparrently a violent bully....this is garbage
well if you actually listened to the dialogue which seems like you probably haven't, it sounds like she isn't doing "wifely" things (maybe being eight months pregnant she's not as sexually adventurous as she used to be who knows) and she doesn't want to handle a substance that might be harmful to her babies. Wow. Whether or not she is correct in that (I have my doubts) his demanding she obey does nothing for her anxieties about the situation. He is a man who thinks every problem needs to be dealt with with a whip. She is not his military recruit. And as he continues to treat her as such, he is destroying any relationship that may have been there while she is attempting to salvage it. But if you ask me this would've been the last straw. Good for her. He is treating her like a dry drunk.
Also Steven said there was no infidelity on either one's part.
he said there was no infidelity on either side.
I do not think his behavior is acceptable at all, however, she was not afraid of him physically harming her and she's never claimed that. I didn't see any fear in regards to her physical safety that would require her to appease him.
How many times does a person have to get yelled at in a threatening manner before they get hit?
Or sheтАЩs attempting to change the subject so she doesnтАЩt have to do shit she doesnтАЩt want to do. Like it or not, ADULTS have to sometimes do things they donтАЩt want to or donтАЩt feel like doing. SheтАЩs pregnant NOT an invalid.
Nah
I highly doubt he knew your package has been delivered was being recorded himself
they are his own ring cameras so I would imagine he would know where they are located and that they could be recording at any time. What he didn't bank on was that they would be used against him because he's always supposed to be in control, in his mind, as clearly demonstrated by the recording.
ItтАЩs obvious from their body language who has the power in this dynamic. He is under no threat, not at all at risk, actively and repeatedly demeaning her. She is pacing, restless, afraid to leave, like she is caged and knows the patterns of her captor, knows what will happen if she tries to make an escape.
Attempting to manage the situation to get herself to a place of psychological and emotional safety isnтАЩt manipulation. ItтАЩs self-defense.
Oh good grief, she wanted to go buy something, so naturally, she was up and walking around.
Geez, you people and your imaginations.
It's ridiculous that people commenting just assume that he is the abuser while she is innocent.
I understand why you have that perception. I wonder if youтАЩve ever experienced or directly witnessed emotional abuse. I sincerely hope you havenтАЩt. I hope you never do.
I have. I know exactly what it looks and feels like to want and try to leave but to have an invisible tether that keeps you from walking away. To stay in a cage with an open door. To know that acting may result in harm to yourself or another because it has in the past.
SheтАЩs gotten up to leave but she doesnтАЩt leave. She keeps stepping away but coming back. She keeps declaring she wants to go but itтАЩs obvious she feels like she needs his permission so she can leave safely. From her body language, I confidently infer that the тАЬiтАЩm gonna fuck you upтАЭ threat is not a new act of terror.
And you know what, I believe her. But I want you to be right. I hope she wasnтАЩt abused. God knows that is trauma that sticks.
There is not enough information for a proper judgement to be made. The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it. I do not know either party. Attempting to extrapolate the whole story is difficult from this position.
To me the Landau bully comment if true is what makes me want to side with his wife. Landau is someone that has had to deal with bullies a lot, often using humor to defend himself from them.
"The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it."
2 things:
1 - Even someone who has been a manipulator their entire lives can suck at it.
2 - If you look at the comments in this very post, you will see many people who cannot catch it.
And yeah, Landau is a stand up individual and I've seen him talk about it very sincerely. He talked about his own shortcomings in the same conversation so he didn't just pin blame on Crowder. In fact, he was overly generous to Crowder given all of the ways he was mistreated by him even on camera.
Are you sucking his dick? You are either actually a man or one of the biggest pick me girls I have come across.
you are utterly and pathetically delusional.
this bitch abuses her partners ^
Your comments l lead me to conclude that youтАЩre an abuser yourself. Not just men are abusive. YouтАЩre so strong to defend him, perhaps you should ask yourself why?
No its called reading between the lines and looking at nonverbal language, and you're obviously too stupid to look at this situation with any amount of intelligence.
It's fun to watch how so many who are so offended by Crowder are also the most abusive in the comments.
Can't stand seeing yourselves on a video, can you?
all you guys that keep defending this bully just congratulations on the big a is for a-hole sign you are voluntarily pasting on your forehead.
this is how emotionally abusive relationships go. you obviously have no experience so you should shut the entire fuck up
Why the fuck don't they have 2 cars? He is fucking rich.. The answer is CONTROL>
I'm a woman and I don't see her being manipulative, I see her being scared.
that makes you one of tucker carlson's favorite names for women
I'm a woman and i am horrified by the way this man is acting
If she wasn't 8 months pregnant, I would probably agree with you. We don't have enough information. However, I feel like in the final stages of pregnancy that maybe getting your wife pregnant and simping for your wife in the last month or two of pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world and kind of what you signed up for. Stress heavily negatively impacts fetuses in the womb. For the sake of my children, I'd probably put in some sacrifices for the sake of my children's development in the womb. Especially when it's over small things, like having to sacrifice gym time to get groceries or give the dog medicine.
Saying that "this only ends with discipline and respect", in its own way is showing an immense disrespect for her and her concerns. It's just completely dismissive of her point of view.
Even not seeing what caused the conflict, I feel like that clearly demonstrates some abusive behavior. However, maybe it was a one-off situation (albeit an extremely poorly timed one-off considering is wife is 8 months pregnant....).
yeah I'm wondering how he disciplines his wife. I can't imagine how he would have to get his children. Domineering to the extreme. Glad they are not subject to his constant "attentions."
The other thing that people forget when you are in an abusive relationship is that sometimes the victim is not going to act perfectly but that doesn't make them any less a victim. Clearly here she is trying to talk rationally and get a little time away from his craziness, maybe she has a therapist appointment to learn to deal with this, and she doesn't want to tell him, for all we know.
Ok terf
They were obviously in the middle of a argument that was not entirely captured by the film. There was no context at all. We have no idea how she behaves or what kind of passive aggressive stuff she pulls on him.
Let's maker it a tad clearer for you. He's making her put a chemical on their dogs which can harm her unborn fetus. Does that help?
Use gloves.
For all we know, the dog didn't get its meds on time. What would you call that?
THEN WHY DOENS'T HE FUCKING DO IT??
He's just sitting there smoking and whining. A truly supportive and loving husband wouldn't have given it a second thought. And before you say, "well he's busy with the show and that's her responsibilty", well if he truly cared about his unborn chilrdren he wouldn't even take that risk. Esp so becuase the woman he made an oath to expressed hesitence about it. For that reason alone he should accomidate her! You can't excuse his behaviour here, or his comments about wanting to force her to stay with him. You just can't and you know it.
Correct because men should work a 60 hour job and then come out and do all the chores. I hope every man in your life Dodges a bullet by not marrying you.
there is no one more entitled than a lazy man.
Oh, the chore that takes probably 3 minutes and doesn't put your unborn children in harm's way? Gosh, that's really hard.
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Likewise, women will dodge a bullet by staying away from you.
Typical female tactic....if you really loved me, you would do this or that.
ThatтАЩs exactly what Steven was doing, saying that if she loved him she would walk the dogs and give them medications while 8 months pregnant with twins. He was punishing her for not obeying him by saying she couldnтАЩt take the car. So I guess he was using a common female tactic? lol
crowder says those exact words in this video.
You proved everyone else's point with a single sentence. Love to see it.
Also really weird this dude is 12 hours in on white knighting for Crowder.
this is how it's obvious that you're not a woman. Incels call women "females" and don't go around excusing domestic abuse.
You could say the same exact thing about her.
If she really loved him, that task would have been done, freeing them both for a while.
I don't get these stay at home women who act so put upon. I've known guys where the stay at home was so lazy, the men did most of the housework. Like my stepmom.
IтАЩm a stay at home mom and have been married for 10 years. Never would my husband ask me to walk the dogs while I was 8 months pregnant, let alone with twins. And the way he demanded she do it or she wasnтАЩt allowed to take the car is abusive. And why do they only have 1 car? He is a mean person and his show has sucked sense Jared left.
Most men go to work, come home, and watch sports or play video games. My husband is like that. I get it, they are tired after working. I have raised 4 children and my work day never ends. Cleaning, cooking, laundry, even when I worked part and full time on and off during our marriage. You are so out of touch and obviously not in a long term relationship
the guy was making bank. get a dog-sitter when she's in third trimester. anyone who resorts to saying "wifely duties" has lost the plot.
Not to mention a second car. I keep wondering why they only have one car, and then I realize that maybe itтАЩs precisely so he can control her like this.
I think it was in the shop maybe, I think I read that somewhere. But still, you could afford 3, so keep a bare bones backup for those scenarios...
Correct because women should have no duties at all men should have all the duties and women should not be required to do anything.
Looking over your comments here, it seems you have a great deal of bitterness toward women.
You should work through that.
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Nobody is saying that... When circumstances change in a marriage the co-equal partners are supposed to flex. Hierarchy is pretty simple: #1 Wife, #2 kids, #3 employer that helps sustain numbers 1 and 2, then anything else, including dogs. He should walk his own **** dogs, find someone who will, or rehome them. Your wife and your kids she's carrying 99x/100 will outlast the pets.
I'm sure that she, like other women, expects him to do all of the 'husbandly' duties, like mowing the lawn, unstopping clogs, changing the oil in the car, fixing this and that....
Looking over your comments here, it seems you have a great deal of bitterness toward women.
You should work through that.
Source: my ass
Quick: what's the difference between changing the oil in a car and shopping for groceries. And why can't a big buff dude who works part time do both exactly?
You're a dude who can't land a woman. Explains your attitude
what's it like slowly coming to the realization that you are an abuse enabler?
Who cares about unborn fetus's?!?
Just a clump of cells...
Unborn child
That's why you wear gloves. My dog requires a med like this, it's not a big deal. If you wear gloves there is zero risk.
SO why doesnt he do it??!?!?! why put even unncessary stress on the mother, she has a FUCKING BABY IN HER STOMACH and hes telling her to put chemicals on a dog while he sits there with a cigar in his hand. you moron
So if you get pregnant you shouldn't be required to do anything at all except eat and sit and watch TV is that right? I just can't figure out why men are opting out of marriage if I could just put my finger on it.
Honestly very psychotic that you think it's preferable to live alone for the rest of your life, rather than put medication on your own dogs so your 8-month pregnant wife doesn't have to be exposed to chemicals.
This is why people from all over the world hate American women.
Thank God that women were tougher in years of yore.
The human race would have never survived if women had been as weak as they are now (true of men, too)
"in years of yore"
When was that exactly, hysteric? You think Stevie here looks like a strong man of yore, smoking a cigar on his couch and whining at his wife?
Spoken for truth!
Hard times make hard people. Hard people make good times. Good times make weak people. Weak people make hard times.
Buckle up, because we're fully surrounded by weak people.
That's also a classic form of abuse: blame the victim.
bbox, I say this with all sincerity....you've either been so abused and gaslit so badly in your life that you've taken this absurd view, or you're an abuser yourself. Either way, please seek therapy.
Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Recognize that, regardless of what she has said or done off camera, the abuse and manipulation tactics here are CLEAR and unacceptable.
I agree with you, this truly isnt a good look for him but i also want to see when this argument because it matters. If 2 minutes before this she was being a dick to him and thats what pissed him off then that matters but if she wasnt and thats still how he was acting then Steven is a piece of shit. We need context
I guess I donтАЩt get why *we* need to see anything. Why wouldnтАЩt we simply believe her? Especially when all evidence, both his public and private persona, demonstrates him to be a highly aggressive, toxic, and abusive individual. And especially when his *public* statements about her and their marriage are abusive?
ItтАЩs amazing that in a case like this, when the testimony of character is overwhelmingly in a womanтАЩs favor, so many still refuse to credit her word and demand more.
We'd need to see it or hear it from all parties involved. I don't believe anyone. This is the internet where the "truth" can be twisted in so many ways without concrete evidence, and the video clip is only of this specific moment. So no, people shouldn't just believe someone because they said something, especially if you know nothing about someone.
There is no way this incident happened without both parties being at fault at one point of another, which has built up to this moment. I've seen it time and time again in many relationships/marriages ive been close to.
I donтАЩt know the details that led up to this specific interaction.
What I do know is that there is *absolutely* a way that an incident like this could happen without both parties being at fault. Sure, both parties are never perfect, but responsibility for abuse always sits squarely with the abuser. Abuse is never тАЬasked for.тАЭ
There's a whole fucking article that goes with the video! Did nobody read it?
It's because of people like you, who automatically blame the man based on a short video, not knowing anything else about the relationship, that causes so much skepticism in me.
I would never take your word for anything because you are proven to be so gullible and jump to conclusions with little information.
I do have information. I have prior knowledge of Steven CrowderтАЩs public persona. I have read the full article and the reports from multiple sources corroborating his character and behavior. I have audio of his saying тАЬI donтАЩt love you anymoreтАЭ because when he tells her what to do, she doesnтАЩt do it on demand and with discipline.
Also, I donтАЩt need you to believe anything I say. I do need someone who is in an emotionally abusive dynamic to know that a) it is not in their headsтАФit is abuse and b) they will be believed and have allies. Clearly, you are not the audience for this message.
"I just want to be really, really sure that she deserved her abuse" - you, 2023.
Uhm. He's trying to make her give the dogs medicine that could harm his children. Gtfo you pick me ass bitch.
Can't
Understand
Normal
Talk
because yeah that would excuse everything he has done this week right plus this ridiculous and hateful browbeating of her. smh
Why wasn't he at the birth of his twins?
she's from Michigan, high likelihood of Upper Midwest passive aggressiveness.
just saying. his tone and statements were 100% off sides.
IтАЩm as terfy as it gets, and everyone in my Twitter circle is condemning this clearly abusive behavior. TERFs support women over men, always - no matter how those men identify.
You must be so beaten down you don't see abuse anymore
The guys that defend this do it because they don't see it as abuse, it's probably very normal for them.
Then you have never been in an devaluing relationship and should be thanking God for that. She is not manipulating him, she is trying to diffuse his anger because she knows what will happen if she canтАЩt. She is strong, and brave, and doesnтАЩt put him down, she speaks truth, despite his cruel controlling and manipulative comments.
You have no knowledge of this other commenter. You are making assumptions of them JUST LIKE the assumptions you are making of the video. Neither are based in facts. Narcissistic people can very easily make their partner look тАЬcrazyтАЭ or тАЬevilтАЭ I find much of this video to be deceptively editedтАжie why insist what was said directly after the video ended was something egregious yet not show it? If you cannot show it, why say it as a definitive? If only one party states something occurred w/o evidence itтАЩs complete speculation.
Ooh seriously wake up.
I am woke and I'm sick of the way women whine about everything being 'abuse.' I'm sick of seeing men blamed for bad behavior when their wives/girlfriends are just as good at giving it back.
Especially since they turn around and claim that they are as strong as men. It is so pathetic.
lmao these fucking "conservatives" cant understand anything. Candace Owens is clearly an upset fuckin loser and got butt hurt over him turning down daily wire.... mrs candace "im not gonna bad mouth crowder but heres 50 bad mouth remarks...." owens lmao.... and the wife clearly had a motive with giving this foootage out of context
it's funny because nobody actually says "i'm woke" except a conservative trying to cosplay a liberal. That's how you know this person is a) a dude and b) a conservative and c) a domestic abuser.
well that's good cause I'm not woke, to me Trump is a big government liberal. but I also think conservatives have really made themselves look like hateful dumbasses Especially for the last seven years.
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You're the opposite of woke, hun, and you're pathetic as fuck.
well thanks for telling us that you hate women and you like to abuse and domineer, I am quite sure you radiate this quality to everybody around you so that only the women who want to be dominated and abused will be prospects for you.
not really a fan of Candace Owens either because I am quite sure she is one of those women who you guys are all complaining about. Her birth story was bullshit nonsense and full of medical misinformation.
kys
sounds like you don't understand how to de-escalate an argument.
you are gross.
She is being even more manipulative-the man is just pissed because it's the 1000th time she pulled this crap. She knows he needs to use the car for work but her sudden emergency nail appointment should take priority over his. Classic case of female abuse. And she is playing for the camera. To deflect the manipulation and falsely make the man the agressor, every abusive & manipuplating woman only needs to do is cry, make a pouty face when she doesn't get her way, and and say "I love you" when abusing him. Men remember AWALT, it's just a matter of degree.
$100 says this guy has a criminal record that includes domestic abuse.
He didnтАЩt need the car for work. He said she could use the car is she walked the dogs and gave them medicine. He was punishing her for not wanting to do that while 8 months pregnant with twins. What man acts like that and then threatens his pregnant wife? HeтАЩs a faggot.
LOL he said he needed the car to go to the gym and see his friends! Just fully making shit up to cover for some dude who doesn't know you're alive! He's a millionaire, son! He could BUY a new car tomorrow if he wanted one. There is one reason why he has one car: so he can control his spouse.
One car....really!!! Guys worth millions.
Exactly. He's a control freak doosh.
You are a horrible human
oh I see you're the sort that tells a woman "I'm sorry but you made me hit you" uhhh
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Username checks out. You are a gem.
Wow dude nail appointment? Do you always just make shit up to make your points
And YOU are JUST as bad, if not worse, than those making statements that sheтАЩs completely innocent and he is abusive.
What we see looks pretty horrible regardless of context and Crowder seems to agree. But the context can make a difference - this could in fact be the 1000 time sheтАЩs challenging him and he blows his lid in response to that history rather than to the current situation. In a way that is horrible and abusive and he should have apologized for and in fact may have done it.
She was most likely the wrong choice, as was Landau, whoтАЩs a sniveling cunt derailing the show when Crowder is about to make a point. Both sort-of тАЬtrickedтАЭ him into committing and Crowder seems unable to accept and cut his losses, which is tbh so ugh and painfulтАж He wants some sort of revenge, and thatтАЩs through abuse, and that can and has been turned against him.
Gerald or his father seem competent and loyal and should be able to help him navigate emotionally difficult situations. He needs to let them.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
Yikes
I'm also conservative and a traditionalist, and I'm not afraid to call this what it is - wrong and abusive. If you can't admit that some conservatives are bad people and/or commit bad acts, you're in denial, and you probably aren't very confident about your own beliefs. I'm comfortable enough in my own beliefs to not think I have to endorse Crowder just because he shares the same political label as I do. He's seemed "off" to me for a long time, this only adds to it.
IF YOU ARE тАЬCONSERVATIVEтАЭ and yet you havenтАЩt watched parts of statements being used to screw people over then I have to believe you are being disingenuous. тАЬCalling people outтАЭ should be done without making biased judgements, w/o using the assumption of how you would react in the situation as a basis for him positively being at fault. MOST people have just stated that there isnтАЩt enough context or knowledge about their relationship to say either way.
There is zero abuse here. You're simply fucktarded.
Both psychological and verbal abuse. "I'm going to f$ck you up" is a violent threat. Your last word isn't part of the English language either.
Except NO ONE, including you, heard that statement so you are basing your argument on assumptions
Monogamy is a hackneyed tenet of religion, an unnatural order created by Zionist churchmen to attach vicarious liabilities in the secular law, to control monarchial successions, as well as to establish ecclesiastic control over white female procreativity and white male posterity . . .
All men are born of a woman, married or not . . . Judaism is matriarchy . . . Jews trace their lineage through the women . . . Catholicism is the red headed stepchild of Judaism, Pope Father Bergoglio and all that patriarchy at the Vatican is nothing but a policy to spread the other cheek of altar boys.
OK what's your point?
You should probably take off your tinfoil hat. ItтАЩs not a good look.
found the guy who beats his wife
if you don't get shot when you're busy shooting up your school because no girl wants to go to prom with you, you're going to die alone, you incel loser.
again another guy here who is advertising to the world that he would like to be able to abuse women like Crowder does.
First, you'll need a sturdy rope, preferably one that can hold a decent amount of weight. Then, you'll want to create a loop at one end of the rope and tighten it so it stays in place. After that, take the long end of the rope and wrap it around the loop several times, making sure it's nice and tight. Finally, thread the long end of the rope through the loop and pull it tight. And voila! You have yourself a nice, tight hangman's knot.
You are disturbed. And Reported.
No, you're just a pathetic c*nt who proves the point you can just say whatever you want and pretend your accusation is evidence.
Now get a clue, then GFY with it.
Thanks.
is that you, Crowder?
pathetic d*ck.
You cannot convince me you have never been in an argument that was worse than this.
i haven't because i'm not a domestic abuser, like you evidently are.
A) NO. B) YIKES. Way to tell on yourself.
well not when I was eight months pregnant, yes I have been terrible at times to my husband of 30+ years especially in my 20s and he has been exceedingly patient with me. And yes Crowder is absolutely abusive. Steven Crowder claims to be a Christian right? That means he is to lay down his life even as Christ laid his life down for the church. I don't see him laying any life down here he's just browbeating her like a good old Pharisee threatening to throw the first stone. (though he has clearly been stoning her figuratively for a long time, this is a very familiar unhealthy pattern to them, you can tell by the way it is being done).
I don't doubt the possibility that she used to give it back to him but when you realize that that just fuels him more she learned how to Gray rock. And as she learned healthier communication habits he has gotten worse which is a very typical when you try to resist bad relationship behavior the sick one who doesn't want to change gets even worse. (incidentally, I would bet she has been seeing a therapist for her own sanity in secret and Stephen is probably pissed off that he doesn't know where she is at every second of the day).
for sure, it's only a stopgap measure.
what would that prove even if someone was in a similar argument? Nothing. There are people who behave like Crowder and it doesn't make Crowder's behavior less abusive.
OK ABUSER! WOW! Even if I was an asshole, I am entirely too intelligent to ever utter those kinds of words to a woman.
No, unfortunately you refuse to see that it IS possible that a woman could be manipulative. This scenario COULD BE EITHER she COULD be being manipulative AND he COULD be being abusive. There is no way to know without more video or factual information.
Intelligent well measured men, even if under manipulation, NEVER say the things this creature said. Even if she is the most wicked witch on the planet, she is of no threat to him and he need not be so aggressive. I can't stand so called men who raise their voices and posture aggressively toward women- they always act differently when a man is present. And, since my wife has bore me many many children, I can tell you she would never be asked to deal with stuffing pills up my dog's anus when she is 8 months pregnant, or pregnant at all for that matter. A real man would not expect that.
I can't think of any medication that dogs take that way. However it's beside the point. She apparently had to hang up about handling the dogs medication because she was pregnant and didn't want it to affect the babies. Regardless of whether her fear was rational, Crowder was abusive towards her about it.
wow. No one here is saying that Hillary is perfect or that she ever hasn't dished out something similar (quite possibly she used to and then realized it was not healthy and found other ways to try and communicate, deescalate, and set boundaries). But we are commenting on is the video. In that video Crowder is being abusive.
It's really very simple.
You're not wrong.
Anyone that can look at this and hand wave it as hes not an abusive person, especially when he admitted to threatening to "fuck you up," is most likely very much the same.
If anyone sees this. Run from people like this. Immediately.
bingo my dear.
Gentlemen, if a lady you're interested in runs away after you make a remark like that, you got lucky.
All I have to say to you is that if you think Crowder's behavior here is okay, normal, and healthy, you will never, ever have a happy marriage and you will die alone and miserable.
Crowder appears to me a Narccisist on Steroids! This turd now scares me. His wife was 8 months pregnant....and we get this 3 year old tantrum behaviour. Shame....Shame...Shame on this Psychopath!
I think IF this 3 min clip is representative of how he usually is (which we don't know) then sounds v anti social and I think he has a personality I'd hate to date someone with....having an off putting controlling personality is not abuse.
he's literally ordering her around and screaming about discipline and making her do things that are dangerous to her health but there's no abuse? fuck you you disingenuous shit
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
Eight months pregnant with twins is hardly 'leisurely. It's not that she didn't walk the dogs, it's that she was afraid the meds would be toxic to her unborn children if handled (he wanted her to do it as a power play/punishment, as he clearly could have stopped smoking his cigar long enough to do it) I also doubt this dude works 60-80 hours a week. And yes, it was elective surgery that could have been scheduled at any time and he chose to do so shortly before she gave birth. And also didn't show up for the birth, what a great start to being an involved dad.
I remember when I was eight months pregnant, how my husband was always ordering me to walk his dogs.
Oh wait, no, he went to the store every day to buy me every bottle of juice in town.
Crowder is putrid. I hope his wife runs away fast and far including taking the children with her.
your girl knew what she was getting when she married him and had his kids shes a putrid breeder of the putrid. I married a deranged asshole, had his deranged asshole kids, I'm shocked I got a deranged asshole.
Monogamy is for deranged assholes.
You doubt he works 60-80 hours per week?! LMAO!!
Obviously you have NO IDEA what it takes to run a company with employees... delusional.
"work"... lol, good one.
Hun, CEOs work less than most people. He has people who do all the time-consuming stuff. He just shows up and yaks into a microphone for a few hours.
You are so disconnected from reality it's astounding...
You thinking the C.E.O. does "less than most people" is exactly why you'll never be a C.E.O.
Typical female behavior... all emotion and very little logic.
"CEOs work less than most people." Does this also apply to female CEOs? Are you saying that a female CEO works less than one of her lower-level male employees? I don't think you're capable of admitting this.
He doesn't work a 6AM shift, he's not on his feet for hours, he is a *podcaster*. You cannot apply your circumstances to his and pretend that justifies his outrageous behavior. In addition you are comparing your own situation to that of A MILLIONAIRE. He makes enough money that he could easily buy his wife a car for her own needs - if he wanted. This isn't about the car. This is about controlling her movements.
For that kind of money, he could buy a 2nd car, and hire a housekeeper, cook, and dog walker, too, to unburden his wife so she can focus on birthing and then tending his healthy babies.
Who cares?
She can leave him if she pleases.
Easy.
None of this rose above the level of childish tantrum.
She DID leave him, because he's an abusive piece of shit, who throws "childish tantrums."
You are seriously unwell, and your worldview is profoundly fucked. You are also absolutely delusional if you think what Steven Crowder does for "work" is remotely close to being described as "working 60-80 hours a week". Steven Crowder is a complete hack and the worst kind of grifter. It's very apt that filth like you would be so drawn to him.
Understandable why you are so upset over someone using bad words and name calling. You clearly know all about it.
This thread is a riot!
It seems like you may be applying your own life situation a bit too much here to steven's. He very clearly is telling her that if she doesn't obey everything he tells her to do then she doesn't love him, and he doesn't love her. His love is conditional on her obeying his every command. He was CLEAR on that.
Also, did you hear what he was saying? He wanted her to pick up all of the groceries and do MULTIPLE errands in an uber, yet...couldn't he do the same, and it'd be easier for him to do so? Also, he said he couldn't even CALL his friends (watch it again). This is a classic case of "pile on", where they try to give a list of all these things to make it sound like they are MORE inconvenienced than you, but he slipped up here with that absurd comment. Bottom line: an uber for him to a friends and back is a LOT easier for him than her taking one all arnd town and WITH groceries. So why do this, then? He's just a clearly controlling person.
Also, his wife "did this?" He screamed "I'll fuck you up" inside the house to his 8 month pregnant (with twins) wife. He's admitted this himself. You've clearly never been in an abusive relationship like this. I have. THIS IS FRIGHTENING. Is it your opinion she should stay with a man who is clearly abusive and, according to her family, has been for years, because it was bad timing for HIM?! SHE is not the one being abusive and threatening violence, HE is. This was HIS FAULT. HE did this, and he reaps what he sows.
Ok, and?
Crowder is a jerk for sure.
ThatтАЩs about it.
End of story.
This post really brought out some hardcore mental illness in some people.
Ah yes, because the majority of people who are disagreeing you must be mentally ill.
Kind of seems like you're telling on yourself.
If I was "on the verge of dying" because of lung problems, I wouldn't smoke a cigar. Pull the other one mate, no-one's buying it. Or just stop defending an abusive POS
This is such a garbage point of view. I work 80 hour weeks on a regular basis. If my wife was eight months pregnant, and I didn't have the time to do the tasks she normally would have, I would either hire someone to do it, or call family in for additional support. Being a garbage human to her would not ever be an option, regardless of how hard I might work for however many hours.
It sounds as though you are accustomed to "building a case" as to why completely unacceptable behavior on your part is always the other person's fault.
No wonder your name is Ronald McDonald because you're a clown.
Wow, now explain why sheтАЩs also тАЬnot allowedтАЭ to have someone come pick her up? Would her father have a right to pick up his daughter?
Yep this is definitely not an an abusive man ranting about тАЬobedienceтАЭ and whether she has a right to disengage belligerent conflict seeking. ItтАЩs not about dominance seeking. This is about a tired man smoking a cigar on his patio and how badly he really needs the car. He could take that uber as well, or you know, hire someone to do the labor he exploits a heavily pregnant woman performing for him for free. How many hours of domestic labor must she put in, how much time as chef, personal shopper, personal assistant, maid, laundress, pet sitter must she log to his benefit, to earn enough travel credits ЁЯдг? After all, she didnтАЩt earn enough social credits to apparently call whoever the F she wanted to come pick her up. Maybe heтАЩs have left her the F alone if she put in her FMLA request to get the F off her back. If you ever told your wife you didnтАЩt love her if she didnтАЩt pass your dog med p-ss test, then escalated to screaming a physcial threat when she disengaged you, youтАЩre a domestic abuser.
Don't know what to tell you dude except that if you're bending over backwards to invent a scenario in which Crowder is not an abuser, then you're probably one too.
I work about 60-80 hours a week. I've never, ever treated my partner like this. This isn't normal, and if you think it is, you aren't normal either. You're an abuser.
A second car could have solved all this. He comes across as an asshole, but isn't the occasional argument in a relationship fairly normal?
Pretty much.
All this ranting about him killing her and the like is really telling.
These are the same kinds of people you see screaming in the streets.
TheyтАЩre insane.
Crowder is def a jerk.
She should leave him.
But none of this was interesting and very mundane normal argument by a guy who doesnтАЩt respect his wife.
DoesnтАЩt mean itтАЩs abuse.
Being a jerk is not a crime.
These people here are funny to watch.
You are obviously unhappy. This book should really be called Handbook to Happiness. I hope you will read it.
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so what you're saying is you're an abusive partner, and complete garbage.
"a shift starting at 6 am"
Dude, he's not working at McDonalds. He's a wealthy man. HE COULD HIRE HELP IF HE WANTED. Why are y'all pretending he's some downtrodden everyman? Are you that snowed?
And guess what? If you want a home and a family, you have to pull your own weight, and that includes doing more when your spouse is about to give birth to twins.
lol, "I'd be pretty upset"... yeah, somehow i don't doubt you in the slightest.
Baby Huey could have bought a second fucking CAR...even a third fucking car by now. His CONTROL over HER whereabouts was far more important than his pwecious fweedom apparently. DERP!
You don't even see how ridiculous you look do you?
You just set the standard that being verbally vicious is "abuse" ...then you do it yourself!!!
Lol ...and people 'like' it lol no wonder your country's so screwed up with mass shootings and people diagnosing themselves with mental illnesses they don't have based on an internet search. You people are a parody of yourselves.
There's nothing wrong with abusing dumb fucks like you online. Abusing your partner on the otherhand is very deranged behavior.
At least you know what you are.
You have that much insight, at least.
Hypocrisy is the defining trademark of the left. They always do that which they condemn. ItтАЩs practically their entire platform.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video. You have no idea what's gone on inside that marriage. We have no context on how abusive she's been which could justify these responses from Steven. And I don't mean justify as in the correct response, but justify them within their toxic relationship.
When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship this type of talk would be common for both people in the relationship. It doesn't make that okay for Steven to talk like that, but if both people are doing it then this clip becomes a nothing-burger. They're in a toxic relationship and should seek marriage counseling. This clip makes it look one sided.
No need for marriage counseling. She chose her safety and that of her kids and left him.
My point was if she was doing this to him too then they need marriage counseling. You can't make a conclusive judgement off a 3 minute video. If both are guilty then they most certainly need marriage counseling! Long before a divorce. There are kids involved.
Kids involved that he couldn't be bothered to attend their birth. Not a promising start to involved parenting, but you might feel differently.
How about from the article underneath where it says that her family is the one that leaked that video and more, and says that he's been emotionally abusing her for years, and he admits he has a volcanic temper that he can't control.
Or this
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
The Jewish god is a fraud.
lol, as opposed to all the others? you are one stupid motherf*cker.
Far more depressed women kill their kids than the dads do.
You could argue that. You could also take note of what he's saying to her and realize that her reactions are far more mature than his. She offered to get anything he needed, and food is objectively something a person needs - hence the grocery store trip. He was only talking about 'potentials' as far as what he might have needed the car for - to see his friends, go to the gym, or visit his parents. Did he actually have those things planned or was it just a 'what if'? Was he sincerely thinking about her needs and that of the household (cooking dinner, by default, requires the resources to do so) or was he just prioritizing his own 'what if's? She tries to set boundaries. She tries to tell him that the anger is unnecessary. He responds with 'you need discipline' and a childish freak-out. Just listen to 'that doesn't work eeeeither' around 1:10 and tell me that's not the tone of a kid throwing a tantrum.
Also, couldnтАЩt HE take an Uber if HE decided he needed to go somewhere before she got back? And why doesnтАЩt she have her own car? CONTROL. He didnтАЩt want her to go anywhere without his permission or she would have had autonomy.
he has something in the car he doesn't want her to know about. hence not wanting her to use it...?
Maybe those divorce papers.
Monogamy is a hackneyed tenet of religion, an unnatural order created by Zionist churchmen to attach vicarious liabilities in the secular law, to control monarchial successions, as well as to establish ecclesiastic control over white female procreativity and white male posterity.
Pffft. She is obviously as manipulative as him.
I agree with your former comment but I'm clearly seeing it from a different perspective. You're right, he could have taken an Uber to go anywhere he wanted. She could have, too, but I've also been in the situation where I had to take Ubers to the grocery store (seizure disorder meant I couldn't drive myself) and waiting the 20 minutes for someone to show up, get you there, and then wait on the curb for ANOTHER 20 minutes - assuming it's not rush hour, in which case it'll take longer - turns a 30-minute grocery trip into, and I can vouch for this personally, a two-hour one. It's not reasonable to tell someone to just 'take an Uber' for something like that considering she's also going to have to load and unload her groceries from that Uber while EIGHT MONTHS PREGNANT. Whoever thinks that isn't a huge handicap has clearly never carried a child.
He didn't tell her to take an uber. She suggested calling the uber.
8 months pregnant? You make it sound like she is an invalid. Women managed to birth plenty of babies even when there wasn't modern medicine.
Orrr maybe she's used to dealing with his abusive ass and is trying to placate him.
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"You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video."
You have clearly never been in a relationship with an abusive person like SC and have no understanding of this type of domestic abuse.
"When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship"
She, as an 8 months pregnant woman, did not want to touch chemicals she was concerned might be harmful to her and her children; he became emotionally and verbally abusive, gaslighting her. She repeatedly had to reassure him in his vile outburst that she loved him as a means of soothing his temper. Any person who has been in a relationship with a man like this knows exactly what is going on here. She, on the other hand, exhibited no toxic behavior.
If he was treating his pregnant wife like this on a casual Saturday, berating her, gaslighting her, being emotionally abusive, and threatening her with physical violence, saying he would "fuck her up" (which happens after they go inside, and is not on the video, but is something he apparently admits that he did), this incident is 100% not isolated.
You do not "seek marriage counseling" with a person like SC. You divorce him, get as far away as possible, and keep your children from being in his presence unsupervised.
ThereтАЩs no way she was behaving as terribly as he was. Also note how calm she was, she knows. SheтАЩs been down that road with him and she knows itтАЩs in her best interest to remain calm or he or other asshats like you can try to flip the script. You clearly have never dealt with this kind of behavior in any of your relationships, and you very clearly think that this is 2 sided when itтАЩs quite obvious it is not. Good for her for leaving his piece of shit ass and shame on you for thinking she was part of the problem.
Monogamy is a hackneyed tenet of religion.
one-trick spankler.
He used the word "discipline" towards his wife which is a word you use for a dog or a small unruly child. Your opinion is null and void.
Wrong, theyтАЩre hypocrites who will condemn someone for тАЬverbal abuseтАЭ, and then proceed to demonstrate why they are leftists by fully embracing that which they condemn by swearing and name calling till they are blue in the face anyone who disagrees with them.
ItтАЩs pretty funny tbh.
YouтАЩre trying to reason with the mentally ill. Good luck with that.
Uh, we actually do have more context. The article underneath.
And you're doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing, only you're doing it to cover for Steven Crowder, for some weird reason.
Holly, don't let internet manosphere trolls get you down. These people with nutty views like this are everywhere, and thankfully 99% of women have deduced they aren't worthy of their time.
He did none of those things.
He just kept repeating donтАЩt take the car. He never screamed once.
Being 8mo pregnant does not preclude one from doing normal activities like shopping.
YouтАЩre a liar.
Huh. It's interesting that of the two people in that conversation, one of them WASN'T pregnant with twins and was capable of getting an Uber to go to the gym (like he said he wanted the car for) and is also a multimillionaire who could buy another car today if he wanted to.
Dick ride much?
these crowder fluffers are f*cking hilarious.
Seriously. ItтАЩs impressive how well heтАЩs got them snowed.
YouтАЩre hyperbolic.
You're gaslighting.
YouтАЩre hysterical.
Proving my point with a classic gaslighting line
He talked about discipline and respect.
We don't know the whole story.
And he wasn't screaming. This is why I'm now so skeptical of women's perceptions. They exaggerate so much.
Yes he talked about discipline and respect towards his wife, which is a clear indicator of how little he thinks of her and what he expects the power dynamic to be. I'm sorry you're too ill to understand that.
He raises his voice a few times. You can hear it again as he follows her inside. Also in the article he says he has a "volcanic temper" that he can't control..
also don't blame me for your misogyny, you're the one doing backflips to find a way to exonerate this man when the situation couldn't be clearer. Ask yourself why it's so hard for you to call a spade a spade.
you're skeptical of your own perceptions? holy sh*t, every comment of yours is more demented than the last.
Abusers like you just can't help themselves, can they?
cutting off someone's access to a car, getting angry when she says she'll be back when she'll be back, demanding that SHE feed HIS dogs medicine (that may or may not be toxic to PREGNANT WOMEN), a steady stream of berating her, saying she's a bad, selfish wife, etc. all of those things are abusive. hope this helps.
Love his comment about тАЬrespecting the menтАЭ.
my guess is she told him she was too tired that morning in bed
This was abusive, but hard to tell if this is a moment of passion. My wife and I both get angry at eachother sometimes and say unreasonable stuff that we later regret and apologize for. I feel like that's pretty much every marriage. But if he is always like that, it's definitely no good.
if you can't hear the deep, resigned frustration and fear in her voice, you're either willfully obtuse or an abuser yourself.
Resigned frustration? I feel that's a pretty common theme in marriage. I'm often frustrated that I make about 85% of the income, pay all the bills, and am left as the lone stay at home dad most of the time because my wife has a travel job (which I support most of the time but it's real easy to feel anger when the stresses pile up). I've given up fighting it and probably come off. She definitely shows resigned frustration at my occasional recreational drug use. People are flawed and part of marriage is adapting to/accepting the flaws of your partner, where I feel resigned frustration plays a part.
My gut says this guy probably does this often given the fact that she is pregnant. I glanced over that detail. If there is ever a time to try to minimize the stress of your partner, it's when she is pregnant.
you heteros are in the trenches, man. this sounds like an awful way to live. but good luck with all that.
Her comment, "she'll be back when she gets back," is like giving him the finger.
Women can cry abuse all they want to, it sounds like she is a passive aggressive - which is just as damaging to a relationship. Note he says he has been loved by her. There is something very wrong, and it's been going on for a long time, and she is definitely part of the problem. Saying over and over, "Steven, I love you," is just talking down at him without resolving any issue.
Yeah, she married Steven Fucking Crowder, so obviously there's something wrong with her. But really, it sounds like you are just dying to suck Crowder off, so now that his wife left him, maybe you have a shot. You should be rejoicing.
Saying she loves him is talking down at him? You have literal brain damage.
awww poor stevie the multimillionaire who could buy a car today if he really wanted to go to the gym that bad.
you're so lost in the sauce, hun
seriously, she can use gloves if she is worried about toxicity.
"I'll be back when I'm back."
That is just as incendiary as anything he was saying.
You sound like a lonely incel. Stop putting it off, suicide is your salvation.
They claim to be a woman so she's probably an acolyte of Pearl aka Justpearlythings.
No, I've seen firsthand how manipulative women can get with men. My sister used to pull crap on my brother in law, then he would pull crap on her. All it did was cause a lot of tension as they couldn't put a lid on it while others were around.
It was ridiculous; however, both were very much at fault....arguing over such stupid stuff.
Like crowder's wife whining about the toxicity of some rx for the dog - there is a simple solution, use gloves. I can't imagine not giving needed drugs to a dog over some hysterical fear of toxicity, so I can't blame crowder for being irked, because it is so stupid. Geez, when my dad was using a drug that could be absorbed by the skin, I used gloves. I suppose I could have whined, refused to give my dad his meds (he had dementia), whined about getting a neighbor to handle the drugs. But I used gloves - simple solution.
His wife sounds like a major cry-baby (as she demonstrated by crying, another manipulative tactic used by women), even if he was more responsible for the problems between the two.
She was crying because she was 8 months pregnant and told her husband "I love you" which he responded with "I don't love you, that's the problem." To his pregnant wife.
And you can't blame someone who across this entire scenario could have given the dogs the medication, over a woman *8 months pregnant* who has a *rational* fear of it harming them. You can say handle gloves, but there's a dude sitting on a bench berating his wife smoking a cigarette, and then there's an 8 month pregnant woman getting prepared to *still* run a ton of errands. I think the dude who's just lounging around screaming obscenities at his wife could probably have handled it.
Also your previous comment about being passive aggressive being "just as bad", no, no it isn't. Getting fed up and saying "I'll be back when I'm back" (which also can just mean "dude I don't know, I don't have an exact timeline") is not the same as telling your pregnant wife you don't love her, and following her inside to scream "I WILL FUCK YOU UP"
It wasn't on video but he literally *confirmed* he said it.
At the end of the day, if your stance is
A) Make the pregnant wife do the dangerous thing instead of the husband who is also available to do it
B) 8 month pregnant women are barred from crying or else they're manipulative
C) Passive-Aggressiveness is just as bad as Demeaning someone, insulting them, telling them you don't love them, and verbally threatening them
D) His complaints are valid but hers are not, and you can't tell what she's done outside this argument but you won't take that same line of thinking for him
Then IDK what to tell you. Because all are very unhinged thoughts.
kill yourself you fucking retard.
you're a liar, you're not a woman.
'I'll be back when I'm back' is just saying she's not able to determine what time she'll be home. Sometimes that's impossible to know due to traffic patterns or the line at the check-out. The fact that you see such as statement as incendiary is, frankly, concerning.
Oh bs. Her comment was an f-u, I'll be back whenever I feel like it, and you (hubbie) can stuff it. If there was concern about the car use, she could have said, I'll just pick up a few items and be back quickly.
I would bet she has stranded him before by taking the car.
I've seen these ridiculous tricks played by spouses before.
JUST SAY YOU HATE WOMEN AND BE DONE WITH IT, FFS. WeтАЩre tired of reading your misogynistic, incel comments. So sick of you sociopaths. If you hate women so much, DONтАЩT BE WITH ONE, problem solved, you sick f*.
They are a woman.
LOL "stranded" HE'S RICH, you dingus. HE COULD TAKE THE UBER; HE COULD HIRE A DRIVER. HE'S NOT A HELPLESS BABY, HE'S A BIG MUSCLY MAN and you act like he's completely incapable. Which, it certainly seems like he is. Since he ran from the marriage before she did, and tried to cut her, his wife who was taking care of his children, off.
rope
you are a shameless lying sack-o-sh*t.
Yet another abuser complaining about abuse.
It is not, and you should take some time to reflect on your failures as a person and a partner.
Ummm a controlling personality that leads to an attempt to umm "control" another person, a person you view as needing to submit to you, is the definition of being abusive. What would qualify as abuse to you?
Just bc its not physical abuse doesn't mean it isn't abusive. He was telling her she couldn't take the car & that if she didn't do what he wanted, it means she isn't doing her wifely duties. He's making his problem w her behavior & turning it around on her as if she's the one who needs to change instead of him. She brings up the fact what he's doing is abuse & he says "watch it. Fucking watch it" in a way i interpret as threatening bc he doesn't want to be called out for his bad behavior. I don't care what you call it- anti social or a controlling personality... Its abuse. Those are the ppl who have abusive violent tendencies. Personalities like anti-social or other personality disorders. I really hope you wouldn't excuse someone behaving this way as "not abuse".
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
If I worked 60 - 80 hours a week and couldn't afford a second car so my partner and I could grocery shop and socialize at the same time, I'd be asking how I fucked up so badly.
If we only had one car and the dogs needed to be walked and take their medicine, I'd do that myself while my partner ran errands.
Having a job doesn't excuse anyone from a share of maintaining the home they share with other people. Owning dogs doesn't make them someone else's responsibility. Directing a very pregnant partner to handle toxic chemicals, when I've got nothing better to do than sit around with a cigar, would make me ashamed.
You own multiple vehicles then they accuse you of not being green enough. You can't win.
why didn't he get the fucking Uber then?
How is being pregnant fuckin' 'leisurely'?
Ofc it's a man, who will never be pregnant or have to suffer extreme physical discomfort and consequences because of the effort to Continue The Human Race, that thinks this.
Couldn't Steven have taken the Uber?
LOL you are so fucking retarded. If he was having lung and heart issues why the fuck was he smoking a cigar around his PREGNANT WIFE.
God just fucking kill yourself the world will be better off without retards like you in it.
No need to post a third time.
This chick would murder her own kids if they made her mad:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
Third post of this. We get it.
This comment is 100% defamation
Ray, quick question, can you define the "Actual Malice" standard used in defamation cases?
Didn't think so.
No need for "Actual Malice" for non-public figures.
Statistically speaking your mother was killed by a fellow pan-african but honestly she was just a clump of cells anyway so why are you mad?
What do you suggest? Arrest half of the population for being "controlling"? Get a grip
Half the population isn't as deranged and abusive as Crowder, but there are certainly a number of people who seem to be okay with abusing women like yourself that I wouldn't mind seeing locked up. It's make everyone else safer.
Now that's an intriguing idea. Maybe detain them as long as it takes for them to learn to treat other people like independent beings who get to do what they want. I like it
I mean shit, lets go further lets just kill off all these fucks?
The north should have killed everyone in the south when they won the civil war. We'd have to deal with less dumb fucks.
Simping for a guy who tells his 8 month pregnant wife he is going to F her up is having an off putting personality, actually telling your 8th month pregnant wife you are going to F her up is a personality disorder. Know the difference.
well, both are kind of indicative of a personality disorder
This is 100% abusive, full stop. Take a long look inward if you donтАЩt think it is.
Telling your very pregnant wife to take an Uber and to give medicine that is toxic to her and the unborn children, to his fucking dogs is most certainly a form of abuse. And he was very clearly projecting by saying that she was boxing him in and that she was preventing him from seeing people because she needed to go to the store for whatever bullshit he apparently wanted. And why exactly does someone with as much money as him only have one car? IтАЩm guessing itтАЩs so he can keep his wife stranded at home. That man is a piece of shit and so are you for defending him. You can both rot in hell.
ThatтАЩs an excellent point about the car. I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. Crowder has always struck me as an abusive, domineering jackass to whom it would be hell to be married. I hope she gets every penny sheтАЩs entitled to.
Exactly. I guess it matters not when SHE is stuck at home without a car ALL DAY when he's working or doing what HE wants with the SINGLE vehicle.
It certainly IS abuse. Just because he has a problem doesnтАЩt mean he can treat others that way.
He literally said "I will fuck you up" to his pregnant wife. Are you retarded?
Of all the words he said, this phrase was the most notable and deserving of a reference, which makes it odd that it is left out, if you can put aside your political allegiances for a minute.
Reference, besides a clearly anti-Crowder article that says he said that? I'm honestly trying to ascertain that this is true.
Not only is he exhibiting CLINICAL signs of an abusive partner, he's also showing traits of narcissism. The people who cannot see this and support him, even after he said he's done abusive things are not normal. They are not mentally normal.
well narcissism and abuse tend to go hand-in-hand
It's mean, but does not rise to the level of "abuse".
You know what impresses me the most about you people is that you're gaslighting on behalf of Steven Crowder. You're basically doing the "you're overreacting" tactic that is extremely common for abusers to use on their victims.
You donтАЩt know the other side. And did she know the camera was recording? If she didтАжALL of this is BS.
You have brain worms.
Ok
Based reply. For what its worth I dont think you have brain worms.
Although seeing as you weren't bothered by their insult I cant imagine it will be worth much to you that I disagree with them.
thanks for confirming that the word "based" is essentially meaningless.
People who have Ring cameras know they record. That includes him. Unless ordering and installing Ring cameras is another duty she has to perform for him and he forgot about it.
probably another way he can keep track of her. it's a security camera and a wife monitor! now how much would you pay?
You know nothing about this relationship from this clip. My wife has duties and I have duties as a husband. Maybe you have a rich husband that allows you to go to the spa and do nothing for o contribute to the relationship. If thatтАЩs not true, then you have duties as a wife as well. This is dumb.
"duties"? wtf century are you posting from?
YesтАжduties. The 21st
How about from the article underneath the clip. If you didn't read that, stop talking.
What contributing was he doing in this scenario btw? Was he helpless and unable to buy groceries for himself? You realize he IS the rich husband here? Right? he's rich. He has millions. He can hire help. He can buy another car anytime he wants.
I read the article. I also understand how different authors write in different ways to paint people in a certain light, often without showing the entire picture. If you look at your statement you will see how youтАЩve proven to yourself that you donтАЩt have any clue as to what their relationship is really like. I donтАЩt think anyone should be quiet. Anyone should be able to speak their mind. I donтАЩt know you, but you sound either oppressive, stupid, or lazy. Try being open minded and seek the WHOLE truth, not just what one author may sayтАжespecially in such a polarized society. The times we are in require much skepticism and understanding regardless of what тАЬsideтАЭ you are on.
you sound like a real catchЁЯШС
My wife says I amтАжonly because I make her answer the way I want her to. IтАЩm the man and IтАЩm the boss.
and he didn't know the camera was there you fucking retard?
Go suck on Crowders nuts more.
You seem obsessed with cock and balls. IтАЩll pass. I think you might enjoy them more. You should give him a call.
we don't need to know the other side, there is nothing she could've done that made this "response" by him OK.
She seems like someone who is passive aggressive.
You seem like a deeply misogynistic woman. Unfortunate.
No, I've seen abusive relationships up close, and it isn't always the man's fault. I've seen women, like my sister, deliberately and repeatedly provoke men (her husband).
So, no, I don't automatically take the women's side, especially when the context is not provided (why was Crower angry to begin with?). They have obviously been at loggerheads for some time, and to assume it is all the man's fault, which has been fashionable for decades, is ridiculous.
yes well educate us some more about how sometimes it's the woman's fault that she gets abused ЁЯЩД
This is the way, obviously their relationship is in shambles and the idea that this is how thier relationship always was is completely irrational. Even if he is the only one at fault people seem to forget that they loved one another and functioned enough to get married and form a life together at one point that obviously changed at a certain point.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
keep feeding your sh*t-for-brains.
Could be. All I know is this video alone proves nothing. Let me sit in on their counseling sessions or read their divorce file from court.
so you're never going to be able to do that unless he releases the info which he has threatened to doтАж (and that always convinces everybody that you're not the abuser when you threaten to release private info) ЁЯЩД
So why are you here commenting about how nobody should have an opinion about this? All you're doing is broadcasting your own blindness and hypocrisy.
My opinion is that he should not be judged by this video alone. I am only stating my opinion because so many are making accusations based on a 3 minute clip. I care because I see our society constantly doing this about so many things and IтАЩm worried that we are becoming more easily manipulated and controlled because many donтАЩt have the patience or the emotional stability to look at something with great scrutiny and depth. Am I allowed to have any opinion I want at any time and am I allowed to express it here or anywhere else I please? ThatтАЩs rhetoricalтАж.if you were wondering.
What bums me out the most about people like you, is that you appear 100% ready to convict someone based on one single edited 3 minute video clip and the claims from one side of the dispute.
You act as if 3 minutes of video cannot contain a lot of information. And you say "convict" like I'm going to personally send him to prison. That's up for courts to decide if there was legal wrongdoing. But I am making a personal judgement, that this is abuse, and I am VERY confident in that judgement.
It aint what you don't know that get's you into trouble. It's what you DO know, that just aint so.
-Mark Twain-
"Only losers quote Mark Twain on the internet"
-Albert Einstein-
I see Crowder's new ball-sweat cologne 'Scro' as your signature fragrance in the not too distant future.
and your point is
a 3 minute glimpse into his heart.... I don't judge the incident, I judge his mouth. Right or wrong his tone is abusive and weak. His heart on full display
crowder's otherwise miserable life and persona is all the context this video needs.
He destroyed professional relationships on top of his personal ones. You must be on drugs.
You're pretending that Crowder doesn't have years of his behavior recorded and available online for people to make an informed decisions as to his character or lack thereof from.
You might genuinely be this ignorant, but the people condemning Crowder are certainly not.
you know what bums me out, how many people think that they can't see that this is abusive from this three minute video plus everything else Steven has done publicly about this for the last week or whatever.
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
"I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry."
This is really funny. All the Crowder simps in this thread are saying that this clip doesn't show a pattern of behavior from Crowder, that he was probably just REALLY upset in this one clip, and most of the time he's probably just a really nice happy old teddy bear who loves his wife unconditionally.
But NOW we're assuming YEARS of bad/lazy/unacceptable behavior from the pregnant wife.
I can see right through all your gaslighting.
You can tell by her deferential comments, soft voice, calm delivery, and repeated "I love you"s that she's had to talk this guy down a lot over the years. She's afraid of him.
I hope any partners of these Crowder apologists realize sooner than later that they're not safe with men who think this behavior is okay. Make a plan, put protections in place, and leave.
тАжor she knew the camera was recording and he didnтАЩt. You know nothing from this video
The fact you can't recognize the behavior of a victim is clearly due to you being the abuser in all of your relationships.
lol keep digging buddy
you know nothing period.
Oh please. She is very condescending and patronizing as she keeps repeating telling him she loves him. He even objects to this manipulation, saying she never loved him. Notice how she dodges him, starts turning on the water works, and the issue never actually gets resolved (at least not that the video shows).
She is a passive agressive person. I'm not saying Crowder isn't also a problem, but she isn't the pure little angel that people are making her out to be.
Yeah, she must have deserved it. She's "no angel" right? And you know that because you have your little anecdotes from things that didn't happen to you and pregnant ladies you see walking by, because you have no life experiences or education to draw from, so you're very certain you're right about this woman from one video, which is the same thing you're accusing everyone else of, only YOU are doing it on behalf of Steven Crowder, Known Asshole.
no he said "I don't love you" and as far as I can tell from the next sentences he seemed to be implying it's because she hasn't been showing him love.
Well, that isn't how love works and if he thinks love and marriage is somehow a transactional tit for tat relationship, as opposed to him pouring himself out for the other (because as a Christian he has instructed to pour himself out for his wife the way Christ gave himself for the church)... well that's most of his problem there.
your lack of self-awareness is stunning.
This idea that he was on the verge of dying, when he finally got surgery in his mid 30s that most people with that condition get as children, is hilarious. Concave chest does not kill you. They were married for ten years. He decided to get the surgery when she was due because he's a small feline.
You can post this paragraph as much as you want, sweetie. You're still very obviously not a man who's ever lived with a woman or been involved in a mature relationship.
And that's the problem with Crowder, too. There's this trend of young, sexually uncertain MAGA men who hate and fear women - but because they're MAGA, they have to still get married and act like Traditional, Masculine, Heterosexual Conservative Men. But being a miserable closeted gay man makes one a lousy husband, even if one weren't as cruel, emotionally unregulated, and prone to hysteria as Crowder is.
he also famously said that paternal leave is for "pussies" plus he wasn't even there for the delivery so... she's left to take care of twins having never taken care of even a newborn beforeтАж All by herself mostly. Because that's women's work/wifely things. Along with being constantly sexually available I'm sure. Because that's his right. Wifely duties.
She was 8 MONTHS pregnant.
WITH TWINS
and if you had had heart surgery would you be working to calm yourself down or adding to your stress levels by screaming and yelling and escalating the situation?
Did you ever think she may have been privately seeing a therapist in order to cope with his abuse and she didn't want him to know about it?
And don't say she should've told him because that's not how it works.
ItтАЩs not physical abuse, sure, but physical is not the only type of abuse, and this certainly looks verbally, and probably psychologically abusive.
also, someone doesn't just physically abuse, they always start with the psychological stuff.
No, but years of this type of treatment does. It starts subtle one little put down about how your hair doesnтАЩt look right. Then the next time itтАЩs three or four things wrong with you and it just keeps going for the rest of your relationship and if you think that youтАЩre at fault, it never ends.
The most dangerous time to be a Black child is in a Black woman's womb or near a freezer:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
you magats are f*cking deranged.
I'm sure your "tough guy" husband hasn't had 3 minutes he regretted in your marriage.
Give me a break. For starters, there is very little context. Second when operating at Steve's level, why is he so out of line to expect the same from his wife? As far as providing, it looks like he has held up his end of the bargain.
We don't even know their agreements or arrangements. To paint him as some diabolical figure based on this shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or are some 3rd wave feminist, which if true, all 3 are true by default
Congratulations on telling on yourself. No, normal people do not have these kinds of episodes, even when disagreeing with their partner. The fact you clearly do, and that you think it's normal, says that you are an abuser yourself, or have never been in a real relationship. Either way, you're out of your lane.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I do not have a "tough guy" husband, nor any husband, I'm actually a straight dude.
I can say this much from my own experience: my dad--probably the most masculine person I know, worked his ass off running a construction company, strong as a bull--never once spoke to my mom like this. They're happily married into their 70s.
Meanwhile Crowder's wife is divorcing him, and this video shows us everything we need to know to understand why.
Maybe you had fucked up parents who behaved like this and so you think it's normal and healthy. In which case, you should probably get therapy.
to make excuses for him in this situation shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or some third wave chauvinist incel influence.
there's very little context but you sure seem to know what it is.
Providing for and controlling are two very different things. He's pretty filthy Rich why does he only have one car and why can she not just go to the store? Do you micromanage your significant others life like that? Sad, if so, and sad if anybody lets you get away with it.
mankind would have been far better off if adam had asked for a bass boat and a case of beer.
God, yes. Adam and all the little boys who believe in this fairytale at the concrete level should definitely get in that boat and motor far, far away from the rest of us.
plenty of us women believe in it too and do not make excuses for abusers like Crowder.
dear, I believe in that "fairytale" and I can see that this is abuse. So can my husband of 30+ years who also believes in the "fairytale."
There is a reason for the MGTOW movement.
yes, the reason is they're actually sad little man-babies.
Yes; a lot of men are completely unable to deal with women's success in education and the workplace.
Thank god for that. The more abusive, controlling men choose to stay away from women, the better for all concerned. There are still too many men who hate women getting involved with them, even marrying them. They have their patter down and gullible women fall for it.
Their problem is usually that these men have no real experience with life-size, breathing women. They develop fantasies that involve worshiping, which has no place in a healthy romantic relationship because it's not accounting for the woman's humanity. They idealize women -- often at first sight; the less they know about her, the more robust the fantasy can remain -- and lose their shit when one they're dating does something "wrong," like ordering for herself in a restaurant, or choosing to work, or getting her hair cut. Something violates the fantasy and flip! -- where yesterday they were all in, today they are calling their beloved "slut" and "whore." Just as night follows day.
When a woman senses the control and criticism underlying such a man's smooth talk, and successfully, safely breaks things off, it's a win for everyone. I hope the MGTOW have clubs or get-togethers so they're not lonely. Just keep them away from women. (Bonus: No chance of being "divorce-raped." That's what happens after you marry, right?)
Big gay bass boat party your kind of thing? No judgement. You do you, boo.
Adam didn't ask for anything, God gave him what he needed and then both of them ruined it.
Sorry you had an abusive father and that you think this is normal.
I had a father with a temper but it never was like this because my mother did the 1-2 hours of daily chores while he was risking life and limb to feed us.
It must have felt great knowing that if she didn't get her chores done to his satisfaction he would lose his shit on her.
Make sure to treat anyone you're dating like they didn't get their chores done as many times as it takes for them to figure out you aren't a safe person and should not commingle their lives with yours. This isn't a healthy way to live and they deserve a heads-up.
You're literally admitting you had an abusive father and are blaming your mother for the abuse she received.
"the 1-2 hours of daily chores"
LOL tell me you've never lifted a finger around the house without telling me.
You are a product of your environment and it's sad. It's sad bc if you have children you're going to continue on this abusive thought process.
So, you took away the wrong lesson. Instead of learning to be a better person than that, you became an abuse apologist instead. You should be embarrassed to admit that.
no I would bet he probably really is the father -- both have bankrupt thought processes.
so you force women to handle chemicals dangerous to their pregnancies to make you happy?
Danno, you're a fucking loser. Hope that clarifies things
Classic liberal.
Denigrated someone for something and attacks their characterтАж then proceeds to do that very thing.
YouтАЩre argument is less than persuasive. You are displaying exactly what you are condemning.
Response on an online message board compared to a husband verbally abusing his pregnant wifeтАжtotally the same!
Such a great point you made. Pat yourself on the back, since nobody else is there to do it for you.
Lolol Jesus what a fucking nerd
And again, from someone who is apparently against verbal abuse.
Classic.
You are fucking retarded, son. Go to school and start trying to learn.
IтАЩve seen all sorts of verbal abuse in this thread, but only from the people who condemn crowder and say they are against it.
Whether itтАЩs because you are fully unable to be anything other than a hypocrite, or simply incapable of speech without resorting to insults targeting gays, special needs, and other less fortunate groups of people for your slanderтАж it doesnтАЩt really matter.
YouтАЩre just continually demonstrating both your lack of insight and character.
Tl;dr: You are the bad people.
"Tl;dr: You are the bad people."
The amount of delusion it requires to post that kind of finger wagging moralising, under a video of Crowder behaving like a psychopath to his pregnant wife...you crowder incels are most amusing in your lack of self awareness. :)
Oh, now he's a psychopath.
right, and now his wife is "passive aggressive", too. lol, what a tool you are.
Yep, they are the baddies.
Imagine how they treat anyone who disagrees with them in real life!!
clearly you have a very vivid imagination, tho sadly, no logical reasoning skills.
You're not very good at gaslighting, but your attempts at it are really annoying.
So, only conservatives are allowed to be assholes? Did you actually think liberals would just roll over and show their bellies? This ain't the 60s man. They are out for your blood, and my moderate ass is here for it ЁЯН┐
Lmao what a Loser.
Yes, this entire thread is filled with insults, prayers for death or harm, swear words, all by the people accusing Crowder of being a bloodthirsty, horrid person.
Amazing.
No, actually she was the one who got lucky.
you misspelled "She"
based
factual
checked
women expire at 20
Expire at what? Being 'things' to men?
You've got your porn and your impotence without your porn:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/11/young-men-porn-induced-erectile-dysfunction
Stay happy in your crunchy bed sheets.
Women don't want you.
says the mentally lobotomized floppy slabs of used up roast beef hanging between your legs. you are valueless and no one will truly love you.
I'm reminded of the ob-gyn who was mystified by this "roast beef hanging between your legs" bullshit, because that's not women work. It just underlines the sad fact you've never seen a vagina, and don't understand that, just like men, women can have a lot of sex without their genitals wearing out.
There's definitely a lot of Rapey vibes in this thread.
I don't need to honestly. My undergrad is psychology with a clinical focus. These boys and the pick me girls on here don't even understand how they have basically been trained to think this is ok.
OMG, your comments have been so nasty and ugly why would anyone want anything to do with you?
Nobody here wants anything to do with YOU, but here you fucking are.
As opposed to referring to someone's labia as "mentally lobotomized" (whatever the hell that means) and then referring to their genitals as "used up roast beef" which is not only a wild assumption about their sex life, but also an asinine belief and a misunderstanding of how female sex organs and sex work.
I feel sorry for whatever person ends up getting stuck with you. Wow. What a piece of shit.
Damn, you got owned bro
You're gonna die alone.
plenty of us have been married for over 30 years and aren't making excuses for abusive men.
How can her labia be mentally lobotomized? Also having lots of sex doesn't change your genitals, unless you're having sex with a horse or something. Entire babies exit out of there and the vagina still manages to return to approximately its original size, if not its original size. I'm not even sure why you referred to labia to begin with; you stick your dick in the vagina.
Is this coming from a long-taint scrotum owner? For real?
Exhibit A for abuse:
All of your nasty comments.
anonymous comments from strangers on the internet is abuse, but steven crowder telling his pregnant wife, "i'm going to f*ck you up", is just his frustration with all her passive aggressive "i love you"s?
do you get how brain-dead you come off?
Most men should avoid graveyard ass to begin with.
Get it?
Because you have a high kill score tattooed on the inside of your
Nah man, the video alone could be Steven having a really bad day. What matters is full context, which the article provided. Was he remorseful? Was there a pattern? The answer is, of course, yes. Some things that don't appear a abuseful on the surface add real context. Why did this multimillionaire with a hectic schedule only own one car, rather than his and her car? It was a control tactic.
Until the moment that I realized they only owned one car, I was willing to give that bastard the benefit of the doubt. But, he is financially abusing her.
See pfungus ...that's not an answer to the question and you won't scare me off with snark and you won't deflect peoples attention by trying to embarrass them into pretending they see what they don't see
I can't make you see what's already in plain sight. I don't know what your issues are but you probably need a therapist. Good luck out there chief
Don't run away. Defend your point of view.
Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip.
Tell me what he did that deserves to share a term with my 10 year old self being beaten everywhere but the face by one person and raped by another.
Abuse is a strong word. Abuser is a big accusation.
I think you Americans are just melodramatic and blow everything out of proportion so show me why I'm mistaken list the abuse I missed.
I have an open mind here I'm perfectly willing to believe he could be abusive but if I'm gonna call someone an abuser I need strong evidence/argument
"Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip."
I mean, I can just go write up a whole-ass transcript of the clip, and copy and paste it here. It's ALL abusive. I literally don't know how to describe it to you if you can't see it. It's like, if I were to point up at the sky on a clear day and say "that's the color blue" and you're like "I don't see any blue." I don't know what you want me to say. Seek therapy.
They don't care. Evidence is irrelevant to them. If a conservative ever demands proof of something right in front of them it's a waste of time. They will never accept anything as proof. Crowder could literally walk up and hit his pregnant wofe with a right hook and you would be having the same conversation.
Hell if he killed her this fucking dipshit would be like but how do we know he abused her? These knobs think they are intelligent but they just say a lot of words. They do not have empathy. The majority of people on social media are narcissistic. This is why individuals like this can't care to see what's immediately in their face.
1. He is banning his wife from leaving and driving.
2. He was manipulating her into performing difficult chores like buying barbecue items, walking the dogs and giving them toxic medication, when sheтАЩs 8 months pregnant with twins at this point and not really able to do these things.
3. He tells her he doesnтАЩt love her after she says she loves him and is trying really hard to save their marriage.
4. He threatens her with тАЬwatch it, fucking watch itтАЭ when she accuses him of abuse.
5. He follows her and keeps tormenting her when sheтАЩs just trying to leave the situation - not allowing someone to leave is a textbook example of relationship abuse.
All of these are signs of EMOTIONAL abuse and potentially financial abuse regarding the car situation (different to physical abuse, like in your care), it is a legally defined term.
That seems like a well defined, itemized list like that knuckledragger was requesting...
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldnтАЩt leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. IтАЩve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesnтАЩt make Crowder look good, thatтАЩs for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (thatтАЩs clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
Honestly, dude... just the fact that he's worth millions and they only have one car is pretty clear. He's not averse to spending money. Their house is massive. And yet, there is only one car. I don't know how you explain that other than it being extreme controlling behavior. The only family I ever knew that was wealthy and had only one car was a Greek family (the men are famously controlling). The mom had 7 freaking kids, a ton of chores, no maid, lived in this huge house with no help, and literally could not leave. Her husband was extremely controlling. The context of her not owning her own car, and him holding use of the car over her head, unless she performs "wifely duties" is enough. He treats her like a slave... "You can go do things, slave, once you obey me".
It's abundantly clear what is going on. If they had a car in the shop, I'm sure they have full coverage insurance, so they would have received a rental. They literally only own one car. She lives in a gilded cage with an abusive cvnt.
Did you read the article under the clip, or are you just pretending that wasn't there?
Do you notice how he continually ties her "disobedience" to her valuation as a human and status in their marriage? "I don't love you because you don't wear gloves", "You aren't a worthy wife because you don't do what I want when I want", "You need to be disciplined to be with me". Paraphrasing, but all very clear statements within the video.
These are controlling and infantilizing tactics. Making someone feel that they must serve you and be obedient to acquire love and worth as a person puts them in a position where they are conditioned to please you without thought for their own needs, desires or opinions. Your love becomes conditional, and the condition to fulfill is complete obedience. Because you have put them in a position where theyy are dependent on you for love and stability in heir life, they become increasingly conditioned to respond "positively" to this tactic. They increasingly learn what makes you happy and what makes you angry, and mold themselves to more precisely bring out pleasure in you to avoid punishment and abandonment.
Which brings the next point : hostage taking. This is a phenomenon where someone causes someone to be in constant fear that they will lose their place with you for a minor infraction. Threats of loss of love, divorce, suicide, etc. can all be ways that you are taken hostage.
Imagine being terrified every week that you don't know if the most important person in your life will leave you the instant you make a small mistake. That you will have to upend your life at any moment. In some cases, you could lose the roof over your head. Or your children. All for...not wearing gloves.
These types of abuse put the victim in an extended state of mental and physical high alert and executive function exhaustion which the body is not designed for, causing the stress reaction to become impaired in a condition known as complex post-traumatic stress disorder. I myself was diagnosed at the age of 24 with the condition due to abuse from my mother.
Just because itтАЩs not physically abusive doesnтАЩt mean itтАЩs not abuse. Emotional abuse exsists! The way he turned everything she said back around on her and made her the problem, controlled her etc. thatтАЩs crazy making! Years of that behavior creates CPTSD. ItтАЩs abuse, maybe not abuse you are familiar with or have experienced in your life but it is abuse.
No one is telling you that you didnтАЩt experience abuse, how would we know? CanтАЩt you suffer abuse while someone else is experiencing a lesser degree of abuse? Is anything less bad than what you have personally endured not considered abuse to you? It isnтАЩt a dick measuring contest about who has had it worse, with your personal experiences being the threshold for what constitutes as abuse. Holy shit man.
This is so many people's mentalities bc it's what their parents and grandparents taught them. This toxic view of: well I had it bad so you can have it bad too or I had it worse yours isn't as bad, is one of the longest bull shit stories in many cultures. We even do it to ourselves. Well it could have been worse so I should feel better. That completely disregards the emotions our brains are causing us to have and we wonder why everyone is walking about depressed or anxious.
I'm not writing this to be rude, but I'm writing this as a fellow human being - a concerned human. If you were raped and/or abused as a child (or any age) you desperately need therapy ---- not short term, but intensive therapy. I really hope you have received that, and I hope it is ongoing. The trauma that abuse, especially sexual abuse, causes at such a young age is so detrimental - I am begging you, please, please, please, lease get therapy. Please..... Please.. Like, I am literally begging you. Please. Please.
"Survivors of sexual assault can benefit from several types of psychotherapy including psychodynamic psychotherapy, TF-CBT, and EMDR. Processing abuse and trauma is a helpful and necessary step to recovery and is the main focus in these treatment modalities." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239557/)
Now, to talk about abuse. As everyone else has mentioned, there are different types of abuse - physical, sexual, mental, emotional.
Being controlling (especially very controlling) is one form of abuse - the only person you have real control over is yourself, and that should be enough. Everything else is an agreement, and broken agreements shouldn't cause such a reaction.
They only have one car, which I find astounding given their income. Nearly everyone middle class and above has one car per driving adult in the household, and when you get to upper class, it's very common for a 2 parent household to actually have 3 cars (one which they use as a collectable/hobby car/to flex etc) or more. The fact that they only have one car is very indicative that he is abusive and wants her to remain home all the time - what does she do while he's at work? My aunt is stay at home, traditional wife and didn't even have kids --- she has a car to run errands or go out, my uncle has his own car to go to work in, and they even have a third car that they inherited and keep as a spare for when their cars are in the shop. He certainly doesn't have as much money as Crowder. It is very common for abusive spouses to isolate their spouse as much as possible - not allowing them to work, have a car, or general independence is a big indicator of that. How can they leave if they don't have any of the means to do so? More so, the fact that she asked "who would you like me to call for a ride?" - WHAT ADULT has to ask their spouse who can give them a ride???? what?????? It's literally like she is at one point allowed privileges like a child, but also, like she is arguing with a controlling toddler - because, well, she is.
I too suffered with extreme anger, but after being medicated and getting therapy for many years, it's a lot better. It's still present at times, but I try my absolute best to never ever take it out on people/any living beings - sometimes I scream at my computer, sometimes I stomp my feet, sometimes I huff and call someone an asshole (if they're being an asshole), give them attitude, glutaral scream by myself/at the sky - but I never let it go beyond that. And I'm still working on it (and getting better).
Finally, here are some helpful links that outline various forms of non-physical abuse (they're written by experts, so far more credible than a comment section!):
https://maggiesresource.com/are-you-in-an-abusive-relationship-c110.php
https://www.regain.us/advice/domestic-violence/a-short-emotional-abuse-checklist-20-red-flags-in-your-relationship-what-you-can-do/
"3. You are asked to check in with your partner at all times to let them know where you are and who you are with, even when spending time with close relatives." - he did that by saying "back when you're back isn't good enough" and her feeling the need to ask who she can get a ride from, and him saying uber --- not even a friend. Him demanding he needs to know the exact time.
"4. Your partner blocks you during conversations or changes the subject to reflect it onto you and your behavior." - ..... the entire video.
"6. Your partner makes you feel as if your feelings are wrong or don't matter." him saying she must do wifely duties, that she's not a devoted or committed wife etc.
"7. Your partner makes you apologize for what you didn't do." - she said I'm sorry and idk what even for.
"10. Your partner has heightened mood swings. One moment they may seem distant, the next, they are unavailable, and then they are loving. You may feel you don't know what to expect or what version of them you get, so you try to change your behaviors to receive love and affection, often to no avail." - entire video. Her saying I love you, and him saying I don't love you.
"15. Your partner has unrealistic expectations or standards and criticizes or harms you if you don't meet them."
"16. They invalidate you, claim you're too sensitive or emotional, refuse to accept your perceptions or opinions, and suggest you are wrong. "
"18. They use emotional blackmail through manipulation, being in control, lying, or using compassion, fear, and other emotions to control the situation."
"19. They act entitled or superior while acting condescending, using sarcasm, treating you as inferior, and acting as if they are always right."
"20. They control you through isolation by taking away possessions, making fun of your loved ones, or using envy or jealousy to keep you from others."
By the state of Nevada: https://ag.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/agnvgov/Content/Hot_Topics/Victims/DVPC/EmotionalAbuseChecklist.pdf
"Are you expected to drop what youтАЩre doing to meet
your partnerтАЩs needs?" "Do you have to account for all your time?" "Does your partner insist that everything is your fault?" "Do you have to ask permission to see or spend time with friends or family?" "Does your partner use violence or threats during an argument?" "Does your partner compare you negatively to others?" "Does your partner use тАЬguilt tripsтАЭ to manipulate you?"
Somehow, all of these things were present in a 3 minute clip - absolutely crazy.
https://www.marriage.com/advice/domestic-violence-and-abuse/emotional-abuse-checklist/
If I somehow need to give you more --- I really can't, but google is free and easy to use.
Again, I do hope you get help. A child being abused is so serious and you desperately deserve and need help (not due to your behavior, but because abuse is so serious).
"DeBATe mE PplllEEAAsse"
LMAO
He, she, it, They canтАЩtтАж because it doesnтАЩt exist.
Being controlling absolutely CAN be abuse. ItтАЩs generally acknowledged that controlling behavior is a common first step in the timeline of many abusive relationships. Physical abuse is usually not far behind. We do not see physical abuse in this clip, but we do see verbal abuse and gaslighting. When we consider statistics, such as homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, we realize that we are not effing around here. This video is very troublesome. Not only is he arguing with her over a task (administering dog medication) that seems to be an inappropriate ask in the first place (toxic to preggos) he then spins her lack of compliance as a personal failure on her part as a wife, establishes himself as a victim who has been тАЬdisrespected,тАЭ and tries to prevent her from leaving (canтАЩt take the car). We see him becoming more agitated and angry as the clip goes on. She attempts to placate him, but ultimately he chases her into the house and says тАЬIтАЩm going to fuck you up.тАЭ Now, what part of this story sounds okay to you? To me his behavior screams DANGER. This is not a good guy. This is not a family man. This is another statistic waiting to happen.
Weaponizing your own pain to silence others is a really disgusting way to go about things, and you should probably get some help for that, rather than blaming anyone's nationality. Emotional abuse is not just an American concept.
I hope someone rips your asshole open by raping you and then we can say nah you didn't get abused.
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Found the incel
Found your long lost dad and he sucking my clit
Found the 5th gen trans тАЬfeministтАЭ.
yeah my wife and two kids'll have a chuckle at your expense, simp virgin
... You're going to tell your (totally real) wife and two kids that someone called you an incel online?
You don't need to sign your posts btw
Damn you're getting owned left right and center BTL
LOL. SURE
rope
She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years? You don't think she understood his views on marriage and expectations of traditional marriage roles? Yet she still married him.
I think she knew what she was getting into. She knew his expectations for having a traditional wife, and what those expected wifely duties were. I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right, however, I suspect there are two sides to this larger story and she isn't as innocent in all of this as she seems.
Actually, no... you do not know what people are like before you marry them. They're Christians, and they wouldn't have lived together. I think they were both virgins, too. So, she had no prior relationships, hadn't lived with him, etc. She had no clue. Your statement is retarded. He literally refuses to let her have a car and holds the use of the car over her head, until she "performs wifely duties" to his satisifaction. That's not a traditional relationship... that's some BDSM shit, and Crowder is a disgusting sadist. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw that.
People who look at this and see anything other than very abusive behavior need therapy. I say that as a VERY far right wing happily married woman.
I am probably more conservative than Steven Crowder because I don't like Trump.... and I'm a Christian and I can certainly say that this is abusive behavior. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.
IтАЩm not saying it isnтАЩt abusive behavior, and if this is the norm in their relationship, then Crowder needs help.
But 3 minutes isnтАЩt enough context. She could have been poking and prodding at him all week long and we would have no idea. Narcissists are deaths by a thousand cuts тАФ their victims lash out as their sanity is being taken from them.
I believe Crowder is likely the abuser because he exhibits behavior similar to my ex-wife with NPD, but IтАЩm still a reasonable person and understand 3 minutes is not enough context.
It does not look good for Crowder though.
yes, and he could've been poking and prodding her couldn't he? In my experience with abusive people they are the ones who do the poking and prodding and needling hoping to get you to snap, and then they yell at you just like Crowder is doing to his wife.
"She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years?"
I literally don't give a fuck. Some people stay in abusive relationships their entire lives. People are weird. Abuse is abuse.
"I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right"
Good then it's settled, I don't even know why you responded to me.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldnтАЩt leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. IтАЩve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesnтАЩt make Crowder look good, thatтАЩs for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (thatтАЩs clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
A number of people in here who are defending Crowder claim to have been the victims of abuse themselves. And to them I say: well that just makes perfect sense. It's not surprising at all to me this does not seem like abuse to you; abuse has been normalized for you, so Crowder's behavior seems less outlandish. But while it may not elevate to the worst things you've experienced, that does not mean it's not abuse.
My experience is the opposite: I've never suffered abuse. I have loving parents, my dad NEVER spoke to my mom like that, they're still happily married in their 70s.
Thanks to past trauma, you are incapable of identifying abuse when you see it, because abuse has been normalized in your life. This means you're more likely to be the victim of abuse in the future. You need therapy.
I agree with this sentiment. I experienced extreme physical, psychological, and emotional abuse in my first marriage. I grew up in a neglectful and abusive household. I didn't know any different, and could not clearly differentiate between abuse and normalcy. This thread is very sad because there are so many people who cannot positively ID that something is tremendously wrong, and expect there to be a black and white abuser/victim dynamic. That someone is reactively abusing back, manipulating, or otherwise defending themselves in a long-term abuse situation does not mean they're not being abused. It means they engage their fight before they engage their flight or freeze. It's a trauma response. I have severe PTSD and I react very harshly to anyone being aggressive towards me, or I run. I used to freeze, and I think that's what earned me PTSD. It amazes me that abusers and abuse victims alike think the proper response is always a freeze response, in order to garner the status of being an abuse victim.
Dude, all IтАЩm saying is more information needed.
I will say, however, my most recent girlfriend, after my physically and emotionally abusive ex wife, I could not see myself doing the things in the video to. We just clicked тАФ we solved problems and arguments in a healthy way.
With my ex-wife on the other hand, I did lose my temper on occasion and said mean things I regret to this day. But those things came at a calculated time for her. She knew how to instigate and emasculate emotionally, and did it at strategic times to get what she wanted. She was amazing at playing the victim at the right time, and when the doors closed, a witch would come out to play.
Like I said previously, 3 minutes in my opinion is not enough time to determine who is the abuser. I believe one of them is an abuser. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying this. It is a totally reasonable thing to say and to attack such a neutral response is problematic in itself and rings alarm bells in my mind.
And IтАЩm in therapy, thank you. Bless Ken, heтАЩs the one who pulled me out of such a mess.
I just love this cognitive dissonance. "We have 3 minutes of Crowder's abusive behavior in plain sight, but we need more context before assume anything! Also, let's just assume all the bad things about the wife's behavior off camera for no fucking reason at all."
Where did I say that? IтАЩm saying Crowder is probably the abuser, but IтАЩd like to see more before a manтАЩs career is canceled.
YouтАЩre the one connecting dots IтАЩm not painting.
IтАЩm not saying his wife is abusive, IтАЩm saying we donтАЩt know.
EDIT: Also, as you say, youтАЩve never experienced abuse. I have. I know how sinister and insidious it can be. I know what itтАЩs like to be called the abuser when really youтАЩre the victim. Be blessed you can look at this video and immediately say Crowder is the abuser.
Let me explain something to you: I'm pretty fucking tired of conservatives giving the benefit of the doubt to "their guys" whenever one of them is caught on camera doing something horrible to someone, and always assuming the worst about the victims. They do this when unarmed and harmless black people are murdered by cops. Speak of the devil, Crowder himself LITERALLY did this when George Floyd was murdered: assumed the absolute best intentions from the cop who sat on his neck for 7 minutes, and the absolute worst intentions of Floyd himself. Thankfully the courts did not take Crowder's side on this.
WhatтАЩs on camera is terrible. I agree. Please see my recent edit above.
EDIT: Regarding George Floyd, what do you say to the people who say Chauvin did exactly what his departmentтАЩs procedures taught him to do? I hear he did everything by the book, but cannot verify it, but IтАЩm curious if he did what you would say then in this scenario.
you can be abusive in reaction to abuse that is certainly possible. it's the system that abusers like to set up for themselves. But if you listen to this thinking back to what Crowder said about his marriage just a few days ago you'll realize that his stories do not match up. He did not look like he had lost his temper in response to something she had done, he was just sitting there in the chair being a smart ass, berating, browbeating, insulting, demanding she do something that she feared was harmful in her condition (whether or not that was true, demanding she do it does not erase her fear) so it sounds like he's the NPD in this scenario.
This is called blaming the victim. You're disgusting.
No, it's called being unbiased until more information is available.
He may or may not have. Abusive partners can often hide who they really are for years. Add to the fact that you can't always readily divorce someone in certain places, and it's entirely feasible that people pretend to be simeone they're not until they've trapped their partner, whether it be legally, socially, financially, etc..
Also, people can change.
None of this is really that hard to comprehend if you reflect a little harder and or do some "research" on abusive relationships.
you're right, she chose wrong
kys
Oh yeah im saying wow get out now
Right! Because unless a man prostrates himself and God forbid, not ever argue with his wife, he's bad. Apparently, she's unemployed and doesn't take care of him as a wife should.
While I realize your tiny little baby brain doesn't have room for anything in between a man "prostrating himself" and outright abusing his wife, I hope you can understand that a healthy relationship lies somewhere between those two extremes.
hey quick question bob, is telling your wife that you're gonna "fuck them up" just a simple argument?
Because in the state of Texas, it's considered Assault, and is a crime.
She's carrying his fucking kids, loser. That's not only a job, it is the most important job on this earth. What Steven Crowder does is kind of fucking useless in the grand scheme, and his progeny won't give a fuck, but they'll appreciate his wife bearing them. Being pregnant is extremely hard and it can maim or kill you. It is a very high risk thing and used to be the #1 cause of death in women of child bearing age. It is still deadly.
Also, his wife isn't permitted to own a car, and he gets to decide when and if she uses "the family car"? Is that right? Nobody's allowed to pick her up to run errands until she slathers dangerous chemicals all over their dog at 8mos pregnant?
This isn't about submitting as a man... this is about an 8mo pregnant woman not being stomped all over and treated like a goddamn slave. Get help. You're mentally unwell. Seriously. There is a screw loose.
did you miss the 8 months pregnant part, asshole. there is no two sides to that.
honor thy wife... is promised THEN they do wifely duties and obey. HONOR thy wife.
kys
Hahaha men are so purposely ignorant
I hate this!!! Someone needs to punch him in the face so hard that he doesn't wake up. ЁЯдм
IтАЩm curious why people are shocked that you will jump to conclusions from a 3 minute video even after watching you jump to тАЬRun away, run away fast.тАЭ because someone points out there is no definitive abuse in that clip.
Threatening to fuck someone up is a crime in pretty much every civilized country. The fact that he did that over her trying to go buy GROCERIES show's how unhinged he is. Also, the "odd talk about gloves" is another example of his extreme unreasonableness. The medication was potentially harmful to his unborn children, and instead of being a protective husband and administering it himself to their dog - he was berating her for not taking the risk on herself. Along with screaming at her for not walking their active dog while she was 8 months pregnant - something he also should have taken on as getting up off a chair is already difficult enough at that stage and she was pregnant with TWINS. He's insane and was being an awful and threatening partner to his wife during her most vulnerable time. That's sick and intolerable.
Saying I'll fuck you up or other stupid mid argument comments is not a crime anywhere I know of.
I've said worse without meaning it literally.
I'm willing to believe he may be abusive. I'm just saying I won't accept it based on one 3 min clip with no context and the fact that I don't like his politics.
I like to force myself to be objective in these situations and not do what most people here are doing on either side: decide with their emotions not logic based on who's team they were on before.
Nothing you mentioned is abuse. It's being an asshole.
You are absolutely deranged if you think this is an okay way to talk to your partner, family, or friends. Get into therapy
The old internet trope of arguing with a position someone doesn't hold is still alive n well I see. Lol
Nice to know I didn't miss anything
I don't think it's ok.
I just don't think being mean to somone during an argument gets to share the same term as raping beating and mentally torturing or manipulating...I think if you conflate the two you make people take the term less seriously...which is what happened to "depression" the terms now lost all potency from overuse.
I think it's bad for victims of abuse to risk watering down these terms.
Hey, a lot of people in this thread are being dumb-assholes who aren't actually explaining what is wrong here. It is absolutely asshole behaviour to just call you an idiot when you clearly want a detailed explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about. So let me explain it for you; and as a preamble to that I'll tell you my credentials to make this explanation.
I am now in my early 20s and am in a good place up until quite recently, this was not the case... At the age of around 5-6 my mother found out that my father had been sexually abusing me and my siblings. we went through several years of court, horribly traumatic. During this time, my mother became part of a sort of cult. She became very devoted and made sure we were too. I believed until around 13, I then did not want to be a part of it. I got into numerous arguments with my mother, and eventually I made it clear I didn't believe in her beliefs. From there she became ever more controlling. As a boy growing up, around the age of 12 she made me bleach my facial hair because her "baby was growing up too fast." The fumes burned my eyes and I didn't want to do it. She didn't let me cut my hair and we were in an isolated location so I had nowhere to go. My mom was never overtly physically abusive, but she was one of the most manipulative people I have ever met in my life. I know exactly what verbal manipulation and abuse looks like. I was aware of her abusive tactics for at least 5 or more years before I was able to escape.
The behaviour Crowder displays here is extremely similar to what I experienced. Making love conditional, or trying to control how it is expressed. Isolating the victim so they are trapped. (Be serious, Crowder owns a multi-million dollar house, and makes millions per year but he only has 1 fucking car?) He expects his wife to do all these duties but also somehow not with the car? She is at the peak of her pregnancy, many people cannot even move, or get extremely tired in that state. But he expects her to walk the dogs, do all these chores, possibly expose their unborn children to harmful chemicals in the dog medication, while he sits there smoking a fucking cigar.
He is not being mean to her, he is being extremely threatening. He is the 'breadwinner' which is how he wants it to be in their relationship because he's a classic conservative. The problem is he expects, since he has all the money, he can simply order his wife around to do absolutely everything for him. Being mean or even an asshole would be making her do the dishes after she cooked him dinner in her state of pregnancy. At that point she really shouldn't be expected to do anything, her job is to keep her body in a state that is healthiest for the children. If that is what her job is, then by his own ideology, he should be protecting his wife and kids right? She could literally die if there were complications due to the pregnancy, she is clearly distressed here. Stress is one of the #1 things that can cause complications, he is being a massive piece of shit and possibly endangering his wife and unborn children's lives. He is causing her physical pain through stress caused by verbal abuse. It is much easier to be in pain from emotional turmoil when you're pregnant. He is literally harming her, not just being 'mean'. Even if this was a completely isolated incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still abusive behaviour. Abuse does not necessarily need to be chronic, if I was a parent and I hit my child with a wrench, would that not be considered abuse? Would it not be indicative of other possible abuse? Some people may see it as discipline, but causing physical or mental harm to vurlnerable people is certainly abusive.
Obviously she is her own person and she can also do things for herself, but she should be ensuring that their unborn twins are kept safe at such a critical time. She is trying to do that, but being degraded by him, which is causing her stress, which is harmful to her health and her children's health. This is absolutely abusive behavior, it is manipulative behaviour. This is not being just 'mean' to someone.
This is not an example of conflating terms, sure, people may over exaggerate, but each case should always be taken seriously when someone claims abuse. In this case, there is literal video evidence of abusive behaviour. No matter which way you look at it, this is absolutely unnacceptable behaviour for a husband to exhibit to his wife. Especially when she is that pregnant.
I'm not calling you an idiot, or anything like that, I am telling you that you need to reevaluate how you define or percieve a situation like this. A 'short' video like this can absolutely display abusive behaviour, then it is up to whatever investigative forces to see if said abuse is chronic. In these kinds of cases it usually is, and based on other things in the article, I am inclined to believe it so. I will rescind that statement if further evidence says otherwise. I will however, not rescind my statement about this video showing abuse, it absolutely does.
You know absolutely know about psychology and the various branches of it and it shows. You also think you're somehow better than everyone and no one should call out your stupidity.
No one said it is ok.
He was a jerk.
ItтАЩs not abuse.
It is literally in the definition of abuse:
a┬╖buse
verb
/╔Щ╦Иbyo═Юoz/
to treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
Neat, now look up semantic and pedantic.
or, you knowтАж just look in the mirror.
My favorite part of your response is how you admitted you were wrong by failing to address my comment.
Another pointless hyperbole.
Useless in every manner.
Do you feel better at least?
How does his cock taste? Is he in a gay "phase" again?
Says BOWSER, a character that legit had no friends. Stay on the internet, friend
Did you just try and own someone in the comments by flexing with your knowledge of Super Mario Bros characters? That is hilarious
Him being an asshole isn't what ppl are calling abuse. Its the tactics he was using to try & get her to do what he wanted that is abusive. I think you should prob look into what gaslighting looks like, what psychological abuse in a romantic relationship looks like. You're hesitant bc it was just a 3 min clip w no context but here's the thing... You don't need a ton of context to know that how he was treating her, the twisting of what she would say, turning things back to him, making her out to be the selfish one who doesn't care about him, not being "worthy", all of that is textbook emotional abuse within a romantic relationship. Steven clearly wants to control ppl around him & his wife was no exception. He is very calm in that clip, he's not shouting or shrieking, which is often more terrifying. You can tell she was trying to keep the peace & set her own boundary but he refused to see it & made it about himself & gasli the hell outta her.
It's abuse dude.. No question.
I can promise anyone that if I told you in a parking lot that I would fuck you up, you would quickly call the Police right after pissing your pants. The internet tough guy smart ass thing only works in fantasy land. Act like that towards an actual man.
I don't call the cops because someone I already know has never hit me and isn't violent says something in anger.
Normal people don't behave like that here...maybe it's an American thing your country does seem to be one giant mental illness factory
You just love drama. Everything has to be blown out of all proportion. Mass hysteria is More a national pastime than baseball.
Maybe you're just a fucking pussy
Way to insult all women across the world by insinuating anyone weak has female genitals.
ItтАЩs so boring, people like you.
You are what you say you hate, always.
And, that actually makes sense.
Lol little wimp who doesn't give a shit about women now worried about the word pussy. Ya'll all such divas LMAO
You are a pussy though lol
Maybe that's why your dad left you. Come to Texas if you think you are tougher
Dude you were one of the first people on here to comment and defend his behavior, so now tell me who wants to blow things out of proportion and be dramatic?
"Internet tough guys would piss their pants if I threatened them in person" typed the guy acting tough on the internet.
Who is apparently very bothered by verbal abuse lol.
Pot, meet kettle.
This exact thing happened to me and nothing was done. Police laughed at me and never came.
This is not a crime.
"Police laughed at me"
Well of course they did child
"and never came"
Then they shared the fate of any of the women you roofied into sex
Just kidding! You've never had sex
Neither of those things would happen, because I live in a constitutional carry state.
If you told me that, IтАЩd politely ask you to keep your distance, but if you followed through on your threat, wellтАж
That would be sad for all involved.
Perhaps it works the way you stated in your liberal utopia, but fortunately we all have the choice to not live in your, fantasy land, as you put it.
Oh look. Another scaredy-cat terrified of leaving his house without his security blanket. Trigger-happy people like you are a danger to society and need to stay home.
Imagine not knowing the laws of the country you live in. In no state can you pull a weapon on someone that doesnтАЩt have one themselves.
That is NOT accurate, at all.
FUCK OFF
Threatening "I'll fuck you up" IS threatening physical violence. PERIOD. That the threat is aimed at a heavily pregnant woman makes it more egregious.
Good luck in life.
YouтАЩll need it.
Clearly, you are a woman. No duh
Kill yourself
Hey now, there are plenty of decent men out there.
It's a criminal threat, actually.
Call the cops next time someone says they'll fuck you up but takes no actual action against you.
See how annoyed they get at you wasting police time
Have all of the USA become such wusses or is it just the youth??
Fuck off Ryan.
It's interesting how your argument has evolved from "it's not abuse" to "everyone is a bunch of pussies because they see abuse as abuse"
Just admit you're a crowder fan and you're big sad that he's an abusive asshole. You'll come to terms with it quicker.
Hey get this, I live in fucking Texas and I have called the cops on an abusive and mentally ill family member after they went on a rampage destroying the house and literally while on the phone with the operator they were actively threatening to fuck me up if I didn't put the phone down. Guess what happened? Somebody got slapped with a class a misdemeanor and spent some time in jail. Wanna know where he is now? Oceans behavioral hospital.
26 years of unhealthy dynamics and *this* is your high point?
No one is jealous of that marriage my dude.
Gen X is the generation that has fought the stupidity your families brought you up in. I feel sorry for your children
OK boomer
A lot of truth here.
People are ruined.
They arenтАЩt able to do anything well.
Bro we get it , youтАЩre his bisexual lover
Ahh, found the closeted homosexual hater who routinely uses derogatory comments against gays to make his points about how much better he is than тАЬless moralтАЭ people
More of shitting on the guy for loving Crowder so much. Crowder said it himself heтАЩs bi. Sorry your brain is itty bitty
As a bisexual, just come out, dude.
Who me? Lol tell that to crowder. HeтАЩs the one fighting the demons lmao .
ItтАЩs very much so abuse, and he was threatening her. Threatening people here in AMERICA can land you in all kinds of hot water, especially if they are your spouse. All of that falls under the umbrella of domestic abuse. If youтАЩre going to come on here and cosplay as an American then maybe you should know what the fuck youтАЩre talking about. IтАЩm sorry you were very clearly terribly abused as a child, but YOU do not get to decide what abuse is or whether or not what he did is harmful, thatтАЩs not how this works. I guarantee most mental health professionals, social workers, cops are lawyers would most certainly see his behavior as domestic abuse. He doesnтАЩt have to put hands on her to be an abusive piece of shit, heтАЩs already accomplishing that by making unreasonable demands and telling her sheтАЩs not allowed to use the car. This is America, itтАЩs a free country and being his wife she had just as many rights to that car as he did. It was a classic isolation technique he was using.
Men like you are the reason women end up staying in abusive marriages. You need to do better.
What is with all "there's no context" drivel here? There's plenty of context in this video. And it's basically impossible to remain objective when presented with video evidence of someone angrily insulting their pregnant wife (while smoking a cigar next to.....yeah, his -pregnant wife-) while also breaking her down and attempting to strip away her agency.
And yes. verbally threatening your spouse with physical violence ("I'll fuck you up") is illegal.
Go tell a cop "I'll fuck you up" and see if they arrest you for threatening them.
What if "I'll fuck you up" meant just that? A good fuckin' rather than a brutal beating
Are you serious?!? Holy shit
Actually it is. It is illegal to threaten serious bodily harm to another, even if sheтАЩs your wife who is about to go get you groceries without your permission, while seven months pregnant with your children.
You're wrong. Read Chapter 22, Title Five of the Texas Penal Code.
Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
ItтАЩs called Verbal ABUSE and leads to all sorts of mental /emotional problems by those who receive it. His demeaning way of speaking to her, throwing accusations & not really allowing her to respond without interrupting her in an escalatory way causes her to just try to placate him until she gets into a safe placeтАжShe tryтАЩs to keep her responses short & non escalatory.
Saying I'll fuck you up is assault. Fucking you up would be battery.
Thanks for putting your words to my thoughts. I am Livid with this 'less than a' man and will expose his egregerious behaviour to all friends and family!
Where is the video of him saying he'd fuck her up? I missed it.
So you didnt read the article?
He admitted to what he said. Read the article dude.
The author of the article claims to have heard audio of Steven Crowder admitting he told his wife he'd fuck her up.
Sorry, but it's gonna take better evidence than that to convince me.
Seems like a rather important part of the story. If the video/audio actually existed - I'd expect it to be included in the article rather than simply being alluded to in the article - and annotated in the video.
It's fascinating how you won't believe a video, won't believe the article, but will believe anything that exculpates your abusive idol.
Consider that Steven would be able to sue Yashar for defamation if Yashar were manufacturing this information, and consider that he has not and will not.
Consider that you are doing mental gymnastics trying to justify abuse.
Consider what your mom would think of that.
If the "I'll fuck You up" part happened after he followed her into the house then it stands to reason it wouldn't have been caught on the outdoor patio ring camera. If there isn't video footage of him saying it, but there's some kind of evidence (given to the author of the article by her family as I understand it) of him admitting to & acknowledging that he said it, then how do you expect there to be footage of it? We don't always get to have all the evidence in situations. That's why in court as a juror for instance you're told to use your experience, your common sense, critical thinking, & logic to look at the evidence you do have & come to a decision. No one is suggesting solely from this 3 min clip that Steven is all evil & HC is "innocent" of any wrong doing. We're looking at a several minutes long clip (longer than viral clips of Karens being accused of racism that are taken at face value) & we're saying "this encounter, how he spoke to her & how he demeaned & belittled & gaslit her are indicative of emotional abuse. In that moment no matter what HC said beforehand Steven was being abusive. And those aren't tactics someone just starts using randomly. Ppl who use the tactics Steven used are skilled at using them...as he was. He was calm. She was showing signs of panic. That tells me she has seen this behavior before & was trying to appease him. It tells me he doesn't like to be challenged & will manipulate those around him to get what he wants. So whether or not they're both abusive isn't really the issue in this clip. Maybe she's just as bad. But it doesn't excuse what he did or said.
Get out now!!!! But prepare an escape plan with some close friends and familyтАж. Try to set up your own bank account for survival needs. This creep will probably get vicious and vengeful so get an attorney for legal advice and defense. Stay off social media or block him , get friends to do the same. This guys fucked up
Most countries, if not all have laws against this. Tell me what do you mean by saying civilized countries?
What do you mean by saying civilized countries?
Yea, the cops donтАЩt arrest people for that.
ItтАЩs not really a crime.
I know this from 1st hand experience with cops. They specifically stated that a one time threat like that is not something that you can do anything about.
Directly from a lieutenantтАЩs mouth.
They absolutely do arrest people for that, particularly in Texas.
I have personally pressed charges against someone who verbally threatened me in Texas.
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01:
Assault
A person commits an offense if the person:
intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the personтАЩs spouse; or
And what happened to that person?
See Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2) and 22.01(b)(7)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
?? it's all over.
Abuse isn't just physical. Mental and emotional abuse is when you use words, emotions and threats of violence to coerce, control, and manipulate your partner to get what you want. It starts with abuse in the first thing he says. "I drew a boundary." Boundaries are explicitly about what the boundary setter will and will not do - it is not about what other ppl do. When it's a healthy expression about other ppls actions it is often called an "expectation", which ppl are not obligated to fulfill. Here instead his "boundary" is that she is not to use the car. I wouldn;t even say it's a healthy expression of an expectation. Realistically, it seems to be a "command" which he is enforcing. All of this is to say, he cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. This also makes us wonder about the material conditions of this household and who has access to what. Consider: Why is there only one car? Abusers control your access to the outside world. The fact that they only have one car in the first place, (apparently?) is suspicious. It seems like a way to control. And it clearly is about control!
Because, why can't she take the car right now? there are no signs that he is going anywhere. In fact, he offers to go do the exact same thing she is trying to go do. he tells her to take an uber. so, why can't he take an uber if it's that easy? Probably because he knows she wouldn't feel safe - and she clearly does not like the option. Which is reasonable!! if somebody is going to take the uber it should be whoever is stuck at home without the car, obviously, who needs to get somewhere desperately. In practice, he is just keeping her stuck there with him - or at least making the ways to leave very difficult or unpleasant.
The tone when he says "watch it. fucking watch it." is said like a threat. It is an obvious threat of violence and control and made worse by the fact he apparently has a volcanic temper with a much larger, stronger body. that's scary! (and it's the point, i think) What's more, the thing he chose to give a threat about: if a partner tells you they think you're being emotionally abusive, you dig into why - you don't threaten them into silence.
The context for the gloves is in the article. He wanted her to give medicine to the dogs even though she was uncomfy with it. She thought it might be dangerous to pregnant women. Instead of accepting this, because there's no reason the pregnant woman should be doing this, he chooses to be manipulative and controlling. he says essentially "if you don't do as i asked, giving the dogs medicine, then you are a bad and uncommitted wife" even though neither of those things are true, obviously. she is scared of the medicine, and she doesn't HAVE to be the one to give it to the dogs. there are lots of reasons she wouldn't want to give the dogs medicine that don't reflect on her ability as a wife. he is using her desire to be a good wife against her to control her behavior.
after she tries to leave and deescalate the situation he follows her, berating her and talking down to her about her quality as a wife. And over what? she wants to use the singular car and she is uncomfortable giving medicine to the dogs. He may not like those things, but the way he expresses this and the actions he takes to make it better are abusive and manipulative. He cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. He makes out "disobedience" of what he wants her to do into a moral failing and starts chasing her to keeping hammering home how awful she is even though she's trying to deescalate.
That's just what we can see in the video. The article states they have sources saying he is explosively angry, has threatened her overtly (rather than implictly as we see in the video), and released a public statement about how, if it was his choice alone, there would be no divorce. He even goes after no fault divorce. Forcing someone to stay in a marriage with you is abuse. Fantasizing about it is fantasizing about abuse. it's sick.
inb4 u say something like "i've basically done all these things or similar. Am i an abuser" The answer is yes.
That's basically what I came here to say and you hit on the key issues. They seem well to do so the fact that they only have one car is highly suspicious. If she were a habitual reckless driver or something, that probably would have come up in their discussion about her taking the car. So it really does seem like an abusive situation, with him trying to micromanage her life and reacting with extreme anger when things don't go the way he thinks they should.
The fact that he expected her to handle potentially dangerous medication while pregnant is a huge red flag too. What kind of man doesn't try to protect his wife and children, and instead puts them at risk for his own convenience?
Somebody mentioned he may have had surgery recently that would make it dangerous for him also. Of course he could try the glove approach himself since he seems so certain it'd be protective enough. Regardless, denigrating her because of her discomfort with doing it is unnecessary. There are even potential options like a friend of family member helping them out. It doesn't have to be her - he only insists on it bc he doesn't like she told him no.
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It's a very coherent and well-written post, Ray. You can just admit to everyone else you don't have a real rebuttal and that you support Crowder being abusive.
He never learned to read ) :
No abuse????????
You must hate men and/or a scorned woman from a past relationship if you thought that was abuse. Come on!!
dang the domestic abusers are easy to spot in this thread
You mean the low IQ and gullible like you.
Mad Max is either an incel or an *incredibly* divorced dad whose kids hate seeing him on weekends
Currently happily married for over 15 years with 2 kids. Right about being divorced before in a previous marriage so I speak from experience that I actually know what I am talking about. I can see the disingenuous scorned wife acting for the camera a mile away in prep for a divorce. If you can't see it then it goes to the point of my previous comment.
You're not married. You're not fooling anyone by claiming that.
Oh OK. Lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Prep for a divorce? Go read the actual article before embarrassing yourself, this footage is from 2021.
"from 2021" and your point? Are you this clueless? People plan for a divorce long before they get one. Like planning your escape from prison. People want their partner to be blamed for why the marriage failed. So they are not embarrassed around their friends and family when they all learn you are getting a divorce. People have the incentive to have their partner to look bad like the claim of abuse to get a higher settlement in the divorce proceedings. You need proof of that while the marriage is still going not after separation. Get a clue will ya!
Tell your new wife that you will "Fuck her up" and see how she feels about it.
Except there is no evidense or reason to believe Crowder said that.
except that he actually admitted it? hello?
So you agree that if he did say that, it would be reprehensible and you would denounce him for it?
Depending on the context and seriousness of it I would agree that it could be very wrong to say that. Nothing he said on camera was any where to that level. So I am to believe he went from a 1 to a 10 in 5 seconds based on the word of some heavily biased person writing this unbalanced one-sided article?
Your words since none of them are true against me have no effect on me. My words are truthful and have clearly hit a truthful nerve with you and clearly made you very triggered. Sorry.
Have you considered not holding so much anger and hate? I promise you will have a much happier life. People holding so much anger only hurt themselves. That was my honest helpful advice.
Just because you found a woman who will stay with you doesn't mean she's happy
No marriage is perfect they are lots of work. No one is completely happy. My wife is not trying leave me and divorce me. We don't have any serious issues with the marriage.
My advice speaks for itself. What I said is sound advice. Have you ever tried what I said. You want happiness in life then be thankful for what you have and not what you don't have. I am giving you life hacks.
A Steven Crowder fan calling someone else gullible without a single shred of irony is quite the amusement to behold.
Being a fan of Crowder or not has nothing to do with this. If you don't see the manipulation by this women and believe this heavily biased narrative of him being abusive then clearly you are gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant.
"gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant"
nice self-report there, max.
Nope
Good one Max! ho ho oh boy you got me good there!
Mad Max is a Psyop Actor...thats all! Maga's do not treat their wives like that.......EVER!
Congratulations you figured me out. You are just too smart.
is Crowder not MAGA?
They generally are the same.
Sorry your father treated you and your mother like shit and you think this is normal. What was he? A drunk? Or maybe he diddled you. Hope you get the therapy you obviously need.
See a pattern here guys? Lol
There's like five of them SO ANGRY we don't consider mean words to share a category with rape and assault...coz mean words are awful....then they hurl abuse and mean words at people!!! lol
They can't even talk like adults. They have the maturity of 9 year olds.
Your hypocrisy and having no argument but the very verbal abuse you say is unacceptable says it all about how seriously you should be taken
Bro you know studies show that the psychological damage taken from verbal abuse is the same as in sexual and physical abuse? Just because it doesn't leave a physical scar doesn't mean damage wasn't done.
Unless you think abuse can only be abuse if someone is physically assaulted
I take a literalist and legalistic view on what you call abuse in a marriage. Crowder is 100 percent guilty of being a controlling and manipulative abuser. And not only that, but he showed no remorse even going as far as lying about the divorce, blaming it all on his ex, on his show.
Yes we hate men like you lol.
That was abuse. Its the same shit my dad used to do, minus the physical assults and holding us hostage.
Guess what?
Neither of his children, nor his ex wife obviously, nor his immediate family wants anything to do with him. He has gotten banned from his own grandmothers home after years of her making excuses for his poor temper like the above.
You would have to be extremely emotionally weak and fragile if that exchange between the disingenuous wife and Crowder speaking up about their marriage issues counts as abusive.
Why did Crowder only have one car?
There could be many reasons why like a second car was in the shop or he was reducing costs with just having one car. I went without any car at one time myself. Not because I could not afford one but to save money as I traveled for work and barely needed a car for only on the weekends at most. We lack facts to make any judgment.
Crowder makes millions per year. There's only one reason for him to only have one car. It was to maintain control over his wife.
Once again you are jumping to conclusions without the real facts. Clearly one car did not stop her from using it that day. The lack of a second car is what left him being the one stuck at home.
The fact that you think it's normal and acceptable to scream that you're going to fuck up your pregnant wife after preventing her from leaving the house really shows how unfit you are for civilization.
You just verbally abused Mad Max, and admitted that you are planning to kill him.
This is going well.
Your mother is rolling in her grave: shame on you for trying to use what happened to her as an excuse to spew hatred
Sorry, I am not going to take a comment seriously when it was written by the daughter of a murderous father.
Was it a Black guy, though?
There was no verbal abuse.
Mental & psychological abuse are abuse. Also you may not view telling your spouse they "aren't worthy" as verbal abuse but i think most people would. It was textbook abuse what he did to her in that clip.
Brittney is 100% correct. Notice that he was not present for the birth of his children.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
Brittney, you have zero idea what went down prior to that recording.
Whose to say she hadn't just finished a 30 minute tirade about what a POS loser her husband was?
Right -- ignoring reality in favor of a fantasy is a great way to make an argument. Try to stay with what's the video man.
Oh, so if she had just been complaining about her husband for half an hour that makes it okay for him to threaten to "Fuck her up"?
Stop manufacturing excuses. You know you're not convincing anyone, including yourself. Your hero is an abuser.
This is also a form of abuse: Gaslighting. (i.e., pretend nothing happened.)
Don't hurt yourself with your mental gymnastics. Nothing to pretend. Nothing abusive happened.
Assuming the apple didn't fall far from the tree - I'm beginning to understand the what's/why's of what happened to your mother.
you are clearly an unhinged crazy bitch. so ironic
Chandra; you've already won the oppression Olympics - now you're just showing off!
I was just following the lead of the Democrats - blaming the church and society in general when an unhinged lunatic trans chick went on a murderous rampage.
just another 'lone wolf', nothing to see, guns don't kill people anyways, blah blah blah, maga moron.
Seek professional help, you loon
So, you clearly arenтАЩt unbiased.
Lmao.
Pussy ass little bitch was your reply to you must hate men... seriously... You are the worst victim on here. A woman calling any man a pussy ass bitch over that comment is abusive. Your abuse. Just like the hundreds of other times you take any opportunity you can to lash out. Fuck the American woman. A monument to hypocrisy and entitlement. You go fuck yourself. Pray the social contract holds. Otherwise you WILL abide by nature. You're like meerkat telling lions to sit down. To men who do not hurt you physically but tell you No, you owe all of them an apology and respect because they work and give there lives for women every day. . Ugh sickening you are. Making it worse and lying about it
You know whatтАЩs sickening? Men like you who think women are less than them. Men like you who think itтАЩs a womanтАЩs job to take care of them and see to all their wants and needs. ItтАЩs sickening that a grown ass man can watch that clip and find nothing wrong with it. ItтАЩs sickening that a grown ass man would think itтАЩs acceptable to talk to anyone the way that piece of shit talked to his wife. ItтАЩs sickening that thereтАЩs backward ass thinking men like you still out being a menace to society. I donтАЩt know what your тАЬyou will abide by natureтАЭ comment means, but you can shove that right up your misogynistic ass. The fucking 1800s called, they want their outdated way of thinking back. And by the way, you wouldnтАЩt like it in my world, because where I work, IтАЩm the boss and the men have to listen to me. Oh to be a female in power these days. Better pray you never meet one like me.
jason, you sound deeply disturbed. please find help.
You need serious help. Your abusive bullshit would escalate any man. Then you would push it further like a coward, over a car payment or some other stupid thing you think you are owed. You can piss yourself you're so mad....it doesnt change THE FACT that that CLIP was not abuse. You want it to be so you have a reason to justify being mad at all men. Because yes...you do hate men. All men
You certainly were my bitch last night while I was pegging your ass with my strap on. Jason loves to hate women but also loves to be fucked in the ass by one wearing a dildo
Why are you pasting the same propaganda all over the place? Both genders are capable of and perpetrate evil. Abortion is murder.
Even if you are honest, you are out here monetizing your mother's murder.
Sick fuck.
Lol she probably deserved it.
And there it is. "She deserved it".
Quickest way to spot an abuser.
Oh shit I'm so afraid to reply to this sexist nonsense right here
(from a non abuse clip) because you might pin me as an abuser... Oh lord what will we do, she is diagnosing again. Put the wine down so you can type what a narcissist sociopath I amЁЯШЫЁЯШВ it's laughable anymore...so few women truly "abused" most of you are just angry little hypocrites that can just spread for the next guy who will happily buy your half truths to get laid..
I'm just enjoying the collective shitfit the six or seven very busy Crowder fans are having here, tying themselves in knots trying to justify a clip where a guy abuses his heavily pregnant wife lol
It's a great look guys, keep it up!
Jason, it doesn't really matter if you believe it's abuse or not, the Texas Penal Code defines it as assault. It's not legal to tell someone that you will "fuck them up" - even in Texas.
Ask your wife how she feels about you defending a guy who threatened his pregnant wife.
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
No, a person (who you are stepping in as) ...has to be in fear. In this situation, in court you would lose. "Fuck them up" could mean a lot of things. People say that before sporting events. I can see your agenda. Won't work here. The guy is an asshole, but people like you make mountains from mole hills because it bolsters your false empathy.
I see you're committed to dying on the hill of "a clear and obvious threat isn't a threat". Maybe you should make such a threat in front of an officer and see how it goes for you. You would definitely own me so hard if you did that.
I don't see any. I see an angry woman acting like an angry woman. This is why, as a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Dude, you don't think the WAY he was speaking to her was abusive? Forget what he was talking about "dogs & cars & gloves" the fact is he was belittling her, gaslighting her, turning things around on her?
The article references audio & documentary evidence of Steven admitting to having a temper, difficulty controlling his rage, & being in therapy & you think there is no context for the allegation of abuse? This is classic emotional & psychological abuse my man.
How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!
It's 2023, and it's been made clear by the "experts" that XX chromosome people are better and more important than XY chromosome people!
It's perfectly possible to have an argument with one's spouse that isn't abusive. This wasn't just an argument - it was abuse. And you know it is, because you definitely wouldn't let someone else speak to your wife that way.
Nice straw-man argument, there...
Where did I claim it impossible to have a non-abusive argument?
You implied this by responding to criticism of Steven belittling and gaslighting his wife with a comment mocking the belief that a man wasn't allowed to argue with his wife, which suggests that you think being abusive and being argumentative are equivalent. If you had believed otherwise, then you would have directly refuted their criticism of Steven being abusive instead of deliberately misinterpreting their comment as criticism of Steven for arguing with his wife.
The only one making a strawman argument here is you.
If that was not the implication in your post, what was the message you were trying to convey when you posted "How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!"
Thanks for at least trying to be civil (you're the only one).
The way he talked to her was petulant and disgraceful.
I don't think it should be called 'abuse' because I think we should have learned a lesson from our well meaning attempts to spread mental health awareness last ten years...that when you over use these terms for lesser levels of problems you water the terms down and the public treats then less seriously then not seriously at all.
Real psychological abuse is too subtle to show up on a small video clip it's not something you can represent easily that's why it's so maddening (I speak from experience of all the kinds of abuse).
I thnk the USA goes too far tossing alarmist term around, then it spreads to us in Europe and then the term loses its shock and potency.
Maybe this is too conplex an argument for hysterical liberals who make all their opinions based on emotion but I've seen it before.
"I have depression" used to be a v serious thing to say. People would put their coffee down and put their arm around you...worried.
Now it's completely lost all its power because people toss the word around so much and it's not taken seriously.
Look at "genocide" in politics..in the 90s it was used to refer to trying to exterminate a group of people..now activists use it to refer to people disagreeing with a policy on trans people.
Watering the term down hurts victims in the long run because it normalised it and makes it seem common
Anyway I gotta go it's nearly midnight here and I have a job to get up to in 6 hours where unlike some of these other keyboard warriors I actually help real 'domestic' violence victims in the real world. It's harder than clicking a like and saying stuff, amazingly.
Thank you for trying to engage honestly.
Plenty of people have engaged you civilly, which is difficult to do when one of the parties of the argument is handwaving away obvious abuse. Each of your posts is pretty obviously an attempt at gaslighting people into not seeing the obvious verbal abuse on the video and ignoring the actual threats made by Crowder that he himself has admitted to making.
Anyways, gaslighting is a technique repeatedly used by abusers, so this frankly tracks with all the replies to your comments that have correctly identified you as using the language and tactics of an abuser. Coincidentally, this also aligns with you repeatedly defending the abuser and not the victim.
So maybe just take a seat and stop trying to pretend that you're the victim in this thread.
Ryan, you are either trolling, disingenuous, or a psychopath. For the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in a relationship with you, I hope it's the former.
That's maybe the 20th message from your side of the argument here and none of you engaged the substance of my argument one but you just resort to and honinum attacks and the very verbal abuse you say is not ok.
If it's not ok for Crowder to lose his cool with his wife in spur of the moment and say mean stuff why is it ok for you to do it to a stranger who was the victim of the very kind of abuse you claim to have such concern about?
Is it because this has nothing to do with your empathy for abuse victims and more that it's just a fun way to dance on the PR grave of someone from the 'other team' (Crowder).?
I think that's all it is. Someone who was consistent in their principles and had genuine empathy for victims of abuse would not read this from somone who said "hey former victim of physical abuse here..I don't get why this verbal stuff should share a category with what I went through...can you explain that argument to me?" ...then respond with abuse and name calling and 'cute' statements about them personally.
The reason why no one is explaining and is insulting you instead because you're sealioning.
Sealioning annoys people and lets them know you're not worth the time of an actual conversation. But you are worth a little bile.
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Another internet diagnosis.
The only pathology here is yours.
yeah because a women who's prego with a stomach bigger than 2 watermelons.... should have to walk their dogs and bend down and pick up dog shit. When the perfectly able body husband who is chilling at home can't be bothered. Make it make sense.
He is controlling barking orders telling her she needs to be disciplined and respectful and become "worthy of a wife" like she is a child, and not his partner. In the video it stated inside he said "I will fuck you up" If thats not abuse you're smoking something or trying to manipulate whats obvious.
You obviously have your own definition of abuse, which I'm guessing is blank.
I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse.
I know psychological abuse can be subtle so outsiders can't see it, and this gaslights the victim sometimes driving them crazy. It's just that:
1. I'm not seeing either type here
2. You can't judge based on one 3 min clip with no context released on purpose by one of the disputing parties...how can anyone think that's either representative or likely to provide an accurate picture??
What context do you need to determine whether what he was doing would qualify as abuse? Like what determines that in your mind? How is it not psychological abuse to tell your spouse they aren't worthy? I just don't understand how you could watch that & not think "damn that's messed up Steven"... Allowing his rage at what he views as disrespect by her, disrespect he believes he's due as her husband, to control him is what i saw. He expects a certain level of respect & submission by her & when he thinks he isn't getting he lashes out & tries to control what she does by ridiculing & belittling her. She said she loves him and he throws it back & says "if u loved me you would submit". He talks about her needing to think about "discipline". What do you think that is about if not an attempt to change her behavior for his own benefit? Its very narcissistic abuse like behavior in my opinion.
The people asking for more context in this thread are generally not arguing in good faith and are simply using it as a means to deflect away any valid criticism of Crowder.
"I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse."
This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that you've experienced such abuse means it's normalized to you. So when you see Crowder's behavior like this, it seems relatively benign to you. But this IS abuse, even if it does not elevate to some of the worst things you've experienced. It's not normal, it's not okay. There's a reason she's divorcing him.
Coming from the opposite angle: my dad--probably the most masculine person I've ever known, hard-working, ran a construction business, built dozens of homes--NEVER spoke to my mom like that. They're still happily married in their 70s.
What you need is therapy. If you cannot see abuse for what it is, you are likely to continue to be the victim of it.
The fact that you've experienced abuse, but cannot see this for that is clear evidence that you're in no position to make that judgment. You haven't received the therapy or insight you need to stop perpetuating abusive environments. When you are abused, you are attracting it and tolerating it. A lot of that has to do with an inability to see it for what it so clearly is. I have been through life threatening abuse, and I sought a LOT of therapy to help me parse through it. I really think you should do the same. Maybe you coming to this thread, and getting all of the negative feedback you're getting is a sign from God that this is something you need to heal and start seeing more clearly.
I think we can stop responding to Chandra now guys. Not only is she repeating herself to the point of spam with irrelevant info about her own personal history but she can't have an adult discussion without resorting to sounding like some crack ho on a corner in jersey.
Agreed. I tried, but, she's unhinged, angry, and adds no value to the conversation.
She's just spamming the same sentence "daughter of a murdered ." Followed by curses and abuse a half dozen times over n over
It would be nice to see, for once, some intellectual consistency. If Crowder's words are unacceptable abuse for saying 'fuck you up' then so is this. We've just tried to have a civil discussion and got nothing but name calling and abuse
I am content to punish it by just not engaging but by the authors standards they suggest we accept she should be deleted or blocked.
Shock me with some consistent principles.
You people really are something. "Verbal abuse is terrible except when I do it fuck you fuck you!"
Come on now, Ryan... Chandra clearly wins the opression olympics!
He/she/they/them/who has every right to do or say whatever it wants.
Chandra is a perma-victim spewing all it knows.
Lol! You are so classy Chandra. Stay miserable and angry. It is doing you wonders!
YouтАЩre responding and swearing at yourself now.
> Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
Yes. The article mentioned several employees who used work for Crowder describing him as fostering "cult-like" behavior in his workplace while also being extremely intolerant of dissent.
His YouTube channel is also a great place to look. For a guy who uploaded a clip of him essentially parodying the murder of George Floyd, it is really not unreasonable to deduce that the asshole he presents himself as on his channel translates to the way he presents himself in his marriage.
> What's the context here?
What context do you think would have made what he said acceptable?
If only the video was accompanied with a detailed article. We may never know.
I don't see much in the article either but the article wouldn't be proof
Have we not learned from the scandals about the Trump Russia conspiracy theory, the stuff out today from the twitter files about the pharma lobby donations, the WMD scandal with bush...the 'Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian op' stuff being made up ...that you can't trust something automatically just because it's posted by a journalist
So your perspective is:
- Don't believe the abuse we see on video - there might be more context that makes it somehow okay to yell at someone that you will "Fuck them up"
- Don't believe the article with context from direct interviews, public quotes, and court filings
- Instead make up a random theory that exculpates the guy caught on camera being abusive to his wife
It really just sounds like you want to excuse his behavior and are looking for any possible way that you can convince yourself that this isn't abuse.
The trump Russia stuff was not a conspiracy. muller couldn't do what he wanted to do because he believed you cannot indict a sitting president. There was plenty of collusion from people on his campaign. Trump pardoned some of them. muller was clear that you could indict him for some of that stuff after he leaves office.
Also, considering the instruction that they pulled against the Mueller investigation, you can't be sure that there was nothing to it. This is why obstruction is in itself a crime. If you successfully cover up a crime to the point where it cannot be prosecuted, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen.
magat brain worms. how sad.
What is the matter with you? No articles needed. Did you fail to see what was going on?
sally this article is from over a FUCKING YEAR AGO so forgive me for taking a few days to get back to you. perhaps consider my comment may have contained some sarcasm that you, responding to a discussion FROM OVER A FUCKING YEAR AGO, may not be picking up on
Are you kidding me.No further explanations are required. This is abuse-out and out abuse!
dude! his wife is HEAVILY pregnant and he is telling her he will fuck her up:D! where is the ABUSE:D??? jesus Christ...
Ryan, this is a self-report...
Nope. It's a mundane, eye-rolling domestic argument.
Hey out of curiosity how long have you been in a relationship with your partner?
20yrs.
How many times have you told your partner "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!"?
Never, but thatтАЩs not how he said that from other posters and tbh, I didnтАЩt even hear that.
Can you point to the time stamp pls, so I can hear it?
My wife and I have been together for 20yrs. SheтАЩs kicked me in the balls and I dragged her down a flight of stairs for it. SheтАЩs told me she wanted me dead and I told her I hated her.
We love each other to pieces and would never do anything to really hurt the other. People are dynamic, they get angry, shit happens.
We have just as much love and fun times, way more in fact. We both see this world as basically beyond saving.
Always apologize if we mistreat one another. Life goes on. This was nothing.
Our children, life, homeтАж they mean so much more to both of us than any stupid words said in frustration.
This is literally nothing.
The wife is sus, as would be crowder if he released it and she had told him sheтАЩd like to kill him.
Words, shmerds.
He admitted to saying it, which is included in the article you apparently didn't read before scrolling straight to the culture war section at the bottom.
How would you react if someone else told your wife that they would "Fuck her up"?
well, sounds like you guys are used to abusing each other.
No it's not good & I don't care if you're used to it.
wow, you hear yourself? probably not...
No Context needed. Crowder was a complet Ahole! End of Story! An embarrassing Turd.....and I was a fan!
The medicine he wants her to pick up is toxic to pregnant women, and she's quite obviously pregnant in the video. Not to mention the language he uses is very commanding and lacks any and all respect and civility.